Topic: Everybody knows about this... right? (Read 14031 times)

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #25 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:21:08 PM »

Had to write another one since the text area didn't scroll far enough...
After you scan the group you want (like alt.binaries.cd.images) you may see either a ton of RAR files (if its like a CD Image) or just the file itself (like an MP3). Download all the files and PARS if there are any, PARS repair volumes of RAR sets if any get damaged in the transfer. You can usually top out speeds at 380K down since its a USENET system. If ya have any questions, let me know and I can try to help as best I can. Chris, don't you dare post this on the main page because THIS IS the LAST real hope for anything free on the internet. Its 'Technically' legal since you aren't actually downloading a file, your downloading binary text on a BBS, then re-compiling it into a file... Hehehe

Demosthenes · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:37:51 PM »

Quote from: TeKnowledge

If you have Cox Internet, such as my neighboors who I jack my internet from (idiots with wireless), newsgroup access comes with for free, although their retention rate is about 48 hours on binaries.

And that, my friends, is why my wireless router is encrypted and locked down by MAC address.

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #27 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:45:44 PM »

I would expect you to be wiser Demo, but these idiots didn't even change the default password into the router. Try living in an apartment complex near a college, free internet all the way!

Demosthenes · « **Reply #28 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:47:12 PM »

Sweet.

And the best part is, they'll probably never even notice.

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #29 on:** September 30, 2004, 02:57:37 PM »

Not a damn chance, I hard coded my IP so that it doesn't show up in the DHCP Tables, not to mention got a software firewall blocking any other left open problems. The greatest part I forgot to mention is that not only do I get 'linksys' SSID, but 'belkin54g' as well. Both on 802.11 G, I was thinking about getting the Linksys Wireless Xpander for the one signal, but I can always hop networks if one sux.

Law · « **Reply #30 on:** September 30, 2004, 04:35:28 PM »

So, you're not taking advantage of someone's short sightedness in securing their wireless signal, you're actually out and out stealing it.

Bravo.

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #31 on:** September 30, 2004, 04:52:43 PM »

No no, its more like the first one, they are idiots and don't even set the most simplest of precautions (like changing the default password and gateway), so BASICALLY all I did is turn on my computer and WHOA! OMG, I have an internet signal, hmm.
I just also happen to know what I am doing and have a wireless scanner and misc. tools for solving WEP problems IF they did come up. However in this case, they are just morons and plugged in their router and said "Oh look, it works!". You might be amazed to know, I ain't the only one doing it, I happen to put a network sniffer on my machine and happened to see multiple people....

hackess · « **Reply #32 on:** September 30, 2004, 04:59:38 PM »

Yeah, well, the ethical thing to do is tell 'em to secure their connection and offer to do it for them for a price.

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #33 on:** September 30, 2004, 05:07:17 PM »

Ethical... But then I would have to pay $50/month for my internet... And I highly doubt it if they would allow me to keep it, not to mention if I showed them how to correct it and secure it, then they could try to lock me out.... Nah, I still have to go with the free internet thing... Besides, its not like they are being charged extra money for it, I just use up a portion of their 3Mb/s bandwidth, which is hardly noticable anyway. Hell, even Starbucks has free public hotspots.

hackess · « **Reply #34 on:** September 30, 2004, 05:16:51 PM »

Starbucks is a corporation, not a private consumer.

avalanche · « **Reply #35 on:** September 30, 2004, 05:57:24 PM »

I'm with Demo whom has yet to chime in on this but I'm sure he will and it will sound something like this...

If they don't even know the most basic things about computers, they shouldn't be on one. Ditto that for wireless networks.

hackess · « **Reply #36 on:** September 30, 2004, 05:59:28 PM »

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If they don't even know the most basic things about computers, they shouldn't be on one. Ditto that for wireless networks.

I agree, but that doesn't give anyone else the right to leech their bandwidth as they please.

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #37 on:** September 30, 2004, 06:42:09 PM »

I could understand if it was a limited amount of bandwidth such as DSL, but we are talking about Cable Modem status where the average speed is 3.02Mb down and 500k up. If it was DSL, it wouldn't even be worth it because if they were online, my bandwidth would be crap, but when you consider that 98% of the time, the max amount of bandwidth used online is about 350K. That leaves a lot of bandwidth. And to appease things, I do my LAN gaming (bandwidth hog) on my personal router with my wireless turned off, so I don't use ANY of their bandwidth on LAN games.

Dark Shade · « **Reply #38 on:** September 30, 2004, 07:19:08 PM »

Still, nothing defeats the fact that what you're doing is illegal.

If that didn't quite click, lemme run it by you again:

Illegal.

So you'll be out $50.00/month, least you couldn't get busted for lifting someone's signal from under their nose. Seriously, you'd think some people could learn from others' mistakes.

Law · « **Reply #39 on:** September 30, 2004, 09:12:11 PM »

Quote from: TeKnowledge

But then I would have to pay $50/month for my internet...

NO! Paying for what you use?!? Unpossible.

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And I highly doubt it if they would allow me to keep it, not to mention if I showed them how to correct it and secure it, then they could try to lock me out...

Duh.

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Hell, even Starbucks has free public hotspots.

Yet Starbucks advertises that anyone can come and use their wireless set-up. Do your neighbors have a similar sign?

Anonymous · « **Reply #40 on:** October 01, 2004, 06:55:41 AM »

Let's reverse the roles for a second and pretend you're the idiot who doesn't know shit about routers and I'm the jackass who's taking advantage of your lack of knowledge in securing the connection. Now, let's suppose I'm into child pornography and I'm downloading a shit load of it. Not let's pretend your ISP notices that you, the client, is downloading illegal material and they notify the authorities who come knocking at your door with an arrest warrent.

Fun isn't it? Should you be the one to be blamed because you didn't secure the router or should the bandwith theif be the one to blame? Obviously, the client can't really be blamed. In fact, I could blame the ISP for failing to nofiy the client of potential riskes and providing preventing messures and information. I could blame the router company becuase they failed to provide instructions on securing the device (If that's the case). But the bottom line is that I, the child pr0n addict, intruded your network without permission and used it.

It doesn't matter if all you do is steal the connection and don't actually download illegal material or dont really do anything out of the ordinary in terms of your surfing habbits. You're still stealing. You're still deliberatly taking advantage of a non secure network. If you want to save $50 a month and keep doing it, that's your business. But I can tell you that I would never want someone like you working for me or working with me. I wouldn't want someone who lacks ethics and morales like you do around me. This "It's no big deal" attitude you have over stealing a connection will be present in other aspects of your life and that means you are a risk to others.

Min · « **Reply #41 on:** October 01, 2004, 08:07:11 AM »

Yes! Let's "pretend" that TheJudge is a jackass!

Anonymous · « **Reply #42 on:** October 01, 2004, 09:05:59 AM »

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avalanche · « **Reply #43 on:** October 01, 2004, 09:12:15 AM »

So, if my garage door opener operates every time anyone within 100 yards of my house uses a key-fob to open their car door, presses a button on their remote control for their car stereo, uses the remote for their TV or even adjusts their vibrator... that's not an invitation to come park in my garage?

I don't get it.

Min · « **Reply #44 on:** October 01, 2004, 09:40:09 AM »

Is it different if I steal cable because it's from a company and not an individual?

Anonymous · « **Reply #45 on:** October 01, 2004, 09:50:36 AM »

In both cases, you're actually steeling from a company. But the fact that it's wireless is significant. Let's say I wanted to steal cable from the guy next door. I walk up to his house, cut his cable wire, install a spliter, rehook his cable and hook a 30 feet long cable from his house to a window in my house in the basement. And imagine you can even see this contraption quite clearly from the street.

Should we blame the guy next door for not securing his wire? Or should we blame me because I intruded?

There's no difference from this example and the wireless bandwith theft. Well... with the exception of wires of course.

I say wireless is significant because it's not obvious to the guy next door that you're ripping him off. And it's more difficult to trace it back to you than to simply follow a wire. So people will statr doing this act more and more. But the principles of stealing still aplly regardless.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #46 on:** October 01, 2004, 11:37:57 AM »

Oh come on.

It's not like he's doing something REALLY awful... like sharing MP3's.

Anonymous · « **Reply #47 on:** October 01, 2004, 12:34:59 PM »

Oh don't get me started on that! It's illegal!

TeKnowledge · « **Reply #48 on:** October 01, 2004, 12:45:59 PM »

Ok, first its 2 blondes that live next door, not some guy. Second, if you tap into someones cable signal, their signal quality suffers, but with wireless signals, their bandwidth isn't affected (unless I decided to download a movie or something, but even then you are talking about me using 350K of 3Mb/s connection on a 54G wireless system, it comes out to a fraction of what would even be considered as noticeable), not to mention I am also not messing with the physical hardware such as cutting cables, having to "secure cable lines" means building onto your house; however this is simply a matter of knowing how to configure a router. All I did is set up my PC in my living room, turn it on (in consideration I own a Linksys Wireless router, my SSID is already 'linksys') and I had a signal with connectivity. If anyone else had this happen, I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in utilizing the network.

Min · « **Reply #49 on:** October 01, 2004, 12:55:50 PM »

Why does it matter that they're blondes?

Anyway, I'd like to say that I don't splice into anyone's cable. I pay for the basic channels, but if I don't use their box, I get all the channels. So I don't use their box. Like I need another remote control anyway.

As for you Tek, I aint gonna sit here and judge you. If it were me in that situation, I might work out a deal where we split the cost of the bill. Well, I think I'd do that...can't be sure what you'd do in a situation until you're in it.

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