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• (January 12, 2023, 01:18:11 AM)

[q-dragon]

atheistmas is new winter holiday i made up for atheists

could you help me make up some atheistmas traditions

we a tree what kind
it will be topped with a blackhole or [something parading an angel]

[q-dragon]

Why do we need a holiday if we don't believe in anything?

I say we keep using the other holidays.

well atheism is not technically religion but lack off i think we need some original  holidays if its to be taken sereusly as a way of thinking

[Wunderkind]

well atheism is not technically religion but lack off i think we need some original  holidays if its to be taken sereusly as a way of thinking

Please explain why you feel this way.

[q-dragon]

Please explain why you feel this way.

i dunno more presents
the idea that if this becomes mainstream that i started it
and other stuff...

[Wunderkind]

Phail.

Invent your own religion if you want one so badly. Hell, it worked for Scientology.

[q-dragon]

Phail.

Invent your own religion if you want one so badly. Hell, it worked for Scientology.

but i don't want a religion i just want a celebration of atheism

[Wunderkind]

I thought you wanted presents and recognition? 

[q-dragon]

I thought you wanted presents and recognition? 

thats part of the celebration

[Wunderkind]

So... you want presents and recognition for celebrating the belief that there is nothing to believe in?

[q-dragon]

So... you want presents and recognition for celebrating the belief that there is nothing to believe in?

exactly

[Anthrax-Smoothy]

Winter-een-mas!

Anyone?

[Wunderkind]

Winter-een-mas!

Anyone?

Can I dress up as a deranged snow-sprite in a straight-jacket?

[Anthrax-Smoothy]

Can I dress up as a deranged snow-sprite in a straight-jacket?

Of course you can. *pats head dearingly*

[HeavyJay]

it will be topped with a blackhole or [something parading an angel]

pa⋅rade
verb, -rad⋅ed, -rad⋅ing.
(used with object)
1. to walk up and down on or in.
2. to make parade of; display ostentatiously.
3. to cause to march or proceed for display.

I believe you meant to say parodying.

I'd pick through the reasons I'm irked by the rest of your post, but this is easier:



Stop being obnoxious.

[BizB]

1) Festivus.
2) Atheism is as much a belief system a any other religion.  You have to have faith in the fact that there is no God - because you have no more proof than those who do believe in a God.
C) What?

[Demosthenes]

2) Atheism is as much a belief system a any other religion.  You have to have faith in the fact that there is no God - because you have no more proof than those who do believe in a God.

Nope.  The conclusion that there is no god or gods can be arrived at via nothing but reason, no physical "proof of a negative" is necessary.  And reason is not faith, not by a long shot.

q.v., Flying Spaghetti Monster, Purple Unicorns, Scientology (pretty much all of it), and Elvis Presley still being alive.

If something is absurd by its very definition, no faith is needed in order to make an affirmative statement disavowing its existence.  Simple reason is all we need.

[dcrog]

Are you saying that Elvis is dead?

[12AX7]

I'd pick through the reasons I'm irked by the rest of your post...


Stop being obnoxious.

 concur


 Elvis ain't dead, lol. We been working on some tracks here in mah basement. I'll admit; he ain't really contributed much in a while, but hell, he showed up. S'more than I can say for the rest of the new hires.

[ivan]

I don't think atheism and Christmas are in any way incompatible. Christmas is a celebration of the birth of, most probably, a very real and very remarkable individual, who's influence on the world and our culture, for better or worse, was profound. If everyone wants to drink bourbon-laced egg drinks and give each other stuff and have rowdy office parties to commemorate the occasion -- who am I to quibble?

What Atheists need is an alternative to Easter.

[BizB]

What's wrong with Easter?  I mean that cute little bunny hops around and hides eggs all over the place and florists get to sell out of season flowers.  Sounds perfectly non religious to me.

The real issue is Valentine's day.

[HeavyJay]

The real issue is Valentine's day.

Nah, Arbor Day is the problem.  Down with trees!

[Min]

* Detta sees the irony in trying to get ivan to downplay Valentine's Day.

[xolik]

Season's Greetings? Fuck that. REASON'S GREETINGS!

well atheism is not technically religion but lack off i think we need some original  holidays if its to be taken sereusly as a way of thinking

sereusly?

Yeah, it's not a religion or anything like that, but we need a special holiday right when the Big Three have theirs. That will totally blow their stupid sheeple minds! Stupid xtians always getting in my face with their invisible sky wizard pink unicorn fairy tales. Just the other day at work when I sneezed, this redneck inbred fuckwit had the nerve to say "Bless you" to me. I took off my shades, looked him square in the eye and said "FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER BLESS YOU! HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW, YOU DUMB FUCKSTICK?" then I went and posted on my blog about how persecuted us "Brights" are here in KKKristian Amerika.

Fight the power, bro!

I'm trying to capture the essence of the famed "Internet Atheist" with this post. The "Internet Atheist" is nothing at all like their real life counterparts, in that these fucks are among the most obnoxious posters on the planet.

[Joe Sixpack]

Nope.  The conclusion that there is no god or gods can be arrived at via nothing but reason, no physical "proof of a negative" is necessary.  And reason is not faith, not by a long shot.

q.v., Flying Spaghetti Monster, Purple Unicorns, Scientology (pretty much all of it), and Elvis Presley still being alive.

If something is absurd by its very definition, no faith is needed in order to make an affirmative statement disavowing its existence.  Simple reason is all we need.

I think I disagree with you for the first time ever.  Believing there is no God and not believing there is a God are two different things.  If you're relying on reason, you have to admit the possibility that you could be wrong, and that  a god by some definition has a real possibility of existence.  Maybe you see no evidence for it, and maybe there actually is none to see, but that doesn't make it impossible.  Once you make that admission, it could be argued that you have become an agnostic and are no longer atheist.

Also, absurdity is no criteria for non-existence. I don't think I need to point out examples.

[Demosthenes]

I never said that I "believe" there is no god.  Belief requires faith.

Saying that faith is required for positive atheism is like saying that faith is required to say "the sun will rise again tomorrow".

Both conclusions can be arrived at through reason, no faith needed.

It takes no faith for me to affirmatively state "there is no flying spaghetti monster", ergo, no faith is needed for me to say "there is no [insert god or gods of your choice here]".  Not for lack of evidence, but for lack of the definition of anything coherent enough to even argue about.

If you could actually define one of these gods in a way we could rationally discuss, that'd be one thing.  But any discussions about the existence of deities usually ends up with nonsensical BS like "there's no way for us to know" and "science can't explain it", in which case the point is usually proven for me.

As I like to say, scratch the surface of any theist and you'll find an agnostic.  My point is, most deities are so poorly defined as to be indefensible, and when you start trying to get one of their hapless believers to describe them, they don't know either.

So until someone gives me something to discuss, of course I say it doesn't exist.  Mostly because we have yet to even decide what "it" is that we're supposedly discussing.

If we're discussing the Christian God, i.e., the "YHWH" of Abrahamic religions, then there's no question about it.  There are so many logical contradictions and absurdities that we might as well go back to discussing the FSM.   

It's not like I'm saying "Some Object That I Don't Have Any Evidence For absolutely does not exist" in the absence of that evidence.

I'm saying "Something That Even The Believers Of It Can't Define, And The Only Description Of Which Is Utter Nonsense does not exist", which isn't any more of a stretch than asking me "is 2+2=6?".  Of course it isn't.  And it's not like I'm willing to hold out and say "well, 2+2 doesn't equal 6 anywhere I've seen it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't eventually, somewhere."  I'm not.  I'm saying it doesn't, and claiming that it does is absurd.

Clinging to the notion that ANYTHING, no matter HOW absurd MIGHT POSSIBLY EXIST SOMEWHERE, regardless of contradiction and logical fallacy on its very face is tantamount to just discarding reason entirely.

And if we're going to do that, we might as well abandon any hope of discussing it, because without at least rudimentary reason, logical discussion cannot exist either... and what would be the point then?

EDITed several times for clarity.