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Title: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on February 10, 2010, 05:06:18 PM
For the hell of it, because I have mixed feelings about this movie, I decided I'd make this a thread.

Personally, I thought it was a bored, tired, recycled storyline. But the CG was awesome and it was beautiful, I just couldn't get into a plot I felt like I'd seen before. Short review: I want to like it, but it just feels off to me, boring yes, and something else is weird about it, I can't really say what. It just is... odd.

Since a good friend of mine recently went off on a rant about it, I thought I spout it in Shoutbox and then decided to thread it.

What do you guys think of this story? Not the CG, because they were banging hot, just plot. Maybe I can figure out what feels so off about this.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Clear_Runway on February 10, 2010, 05:15:19 PM
I liked it. mostly because of he cg and the action.

the plot not so much. too many aesops, mostly environmental, anticorporate, antihuman, that sort of thing. the more a story has that sort of thing in it,no matter what the moral actually is, the less realistic it is. but yeah, overall I liked it.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: ivan on February 10, 2010, 05:17:57 PM
I haven't seen it. Waiting to see if it's going to be popular.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on February 10, 2010, 05:18:35 PM
the plot not so much. too many aesops, mostly environmental, anticorporate, antihuman, that sort of thing. the more a story has that sort of thing in it,no matter what the moral actually is, the less realistic it is. but yeah, overall I liked it.
So you might have liked it more if the human plowed them all down and won?
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Clear_Runway on February 10, 2010, 05:37:29 PM
So you might have liked it more if the human plowed them all down and won?

good point. everyone wants to see the underdog win, even if they happen to be winning against humans.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Novice on February 10, 2010, 06:49:47 PM
Avatar: More material for rule34!

Edit: But then again, I guess everything is more material for rule34.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Clear_Runway on February 10, 2010, 07:00:52 PM
I guess everything is more material for rule34.

if it wasn't, it wouldn't b rule 34, would it?
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: rogue_77 on February 10, 2010, 09:06:07 PM
You know, my two cents on the whole thing is its only real selling point is the sfx.  The plot is generic, very generic.  The action is predictable and the only sweet scene is the aerial combat towards the end but the whole fight in the woods when whats her name is going to take on the walkers, so damn predictable.

I downloaded a version of it because I knew I wouldn't like it and the only way I'd spend money on seeing it was in 3D.

I have no idea why its up for all these awards and got best picture at one of them that I heard.  Best Drama or something...  Seriously?

The only strong point it shows is humans mow down whatever for something that want.....

I've seen older sci-fi's that are better sci-fis then that pile.  I saw District 9 before Avatar and District 9 is SOOOO much better and the effects were just slightly less then Avatar.

I'm scared to see what the future of sci fi movies is going to look like because of this movie.  I am a fairly big sci fi fan so I hope it boosts the genre decently but I hope the stuff is better then Avatar and I hope its more original and doesn't use such a set formula.

Special Effects imo should be used as a wow factor to make things pop off the screen, they shouldn't carry the film.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: mcsr on February 11, 2010, 03:44:40 AM
Have you seen this? http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/ (http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/)
Quite amazing!!!
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on February 11, 2010, 09:24:09 AM
Have you seen this? http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/ (http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/)
Quite amazing!!!
*facepalm*
Photoshop FTW.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Clear_Runway on February 11, 2010, 09:50:33 AM
Have you seen this? http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/ (http://www.avatarizeyourself.com/)
Quite amazing!!!
why is it in french?
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Pyrenus on February 11, 2010, 11:35:30 AM
There was no struggle.  Everything was too easy, and moved too fast.

"Oh hey, I've been lying to you all.  I'm really a human scout sent here to figure you all out which will ultimately lead to your demise."
"Hmm, ok, lets swear you in and make you an official member!"

Weird Tingly Feeling?

"Oh no bad guys in big ships!"
2 minutes later
"Yay! They're all dead."

Not much of a threat, IMO.

"Man, I wish I could stay with you all forever."
"Oh, didn't we tell you?  We just happen to have soul transference device!  All is well!"


Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: All_Knowing_Ham on February 11, 2010, 11:45:00 AM
I see you.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: pbsaurus on February 11, 2010, 05:20:24 PM
I haven't seen it. Waiting to see if it's going to be popular.

I'm waiting to see if Ivan sees if it's going to be popular.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: rogue_77 on February 11, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
There was no struggle.  Everything was too easy, and moved too fast.

"Oh hey, I've been lying to you all.  I'm really a human scout sent here to figure you all out which will ultimately lead to your demise."
"Hmm, ok, lets swear you in and make you an official member!"

Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

"Oh no bad guys in big ships!"
2 minutes later
"Yay! They're all dead."

Not much of a threat, IMO.

"Man, I wish I could stay with you all forever."
"Oh, didn't we tell you?  We just happen to have soul transference device!  All is well!"

Sir, I do believe you have a ... what is it up to now?  500 million? dollar idea on your hands!

Nice sum up btw.  =)
I wonder if thats how the intial meeting of Cameron and the studio went.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Jamesr on February 12, 2010, 04:29:27 AM
This movie was simply amazing :D, but to get the most out of this movie you will have to watch  it in 3D  :w:
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on February 12, 2010, 09:19:55 AM
1. Who are you and why should I care about your opinion?
2. Why are you in my thread?

4. Get an intro thread before I get in trouble for BBQ.

Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: BizB on February 12, 2010, 09:37:48 AM
He's not here.  He won't be back.  He just wanted to get his signature links out there for web crawlers to find. Google will be sending a lot of people to zombocom for Hong Kong realty.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on February 12, 2010, 09:39:50 AM
 :-P
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Clear_Runway on February 12, 2010, 11:03:07 AM
Jamesr, please Click here (http://www.youfail.org/)
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: physicsgeek79 on February 12, 2010, 02:35:26 PM
Saw this movie just a couple of days ago - great in 3D but basically a sci-fi space age version of Dances with wolves.... and is it wrong that i thought the blue cat lady love interest was a bit hot???
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: xolik on February 12, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
Saw this movie just a couple of days ago - great in 3D but basically a sci-fi space age version of Dances with wolves.... and is it wrong that i thought the blue cat lady love interest was a bit hot???

furry spotted
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: ivan on February 13, 2010, 12:20:25 AM
Phasers on "ridicule".
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Carrot98 on February 23, 2010, 10:06:32 AM
 This movie was like eating a plain old regular (and a little dried out) slice of vanilla cake that was decorated by a multimillion dollar cake designer.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: pbsaurus on February 23, 2010, 01:02:27 PM
We'll finally be seeing it this weekend at the IMAX.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: 10001110101 on February 23, 2010, 10:17:04 PM
Short review: I want to like it, but it just feels off to me, boring yes, and something else is weird about it, I can't really say what. It just is... odd.

agreed, I have astigmatism in one eye, sometimes it takes me a second to adjust focus, I feel like for those without perfect vision, it is somewhat difficult to take in the 3d transitions...

Story is recycled garbage, whatever, irrelevant, this does not separate it from any other blockbuster hit of this genre of the past ten years, or perhaps longer.

My qualm is with the actual 3d/cg part, I for one, could not truly ever get immersed into the imagery of the film... i found especially when the close-ups happened it was impossible not to be "taken out" of the experience... my visual senses simply could not process the rapid changes in the field of depth which I think were the inherent flaw of the movie.

there were certain scenes, such as the slow moving scenes in the first 15 minutes that take place in the lab and such, where I felt you could truly be immersed in the movie, but many of the close ups on the avatar planet, whatever it was called, like of the floating tree spirit things, couldn't be processed.

maybe I have a flaw, but I suspect I'm not the only one who felt this way, and maybe there is just a certain percentage of people who cannot process the imagery as it was intended, like those who see rainbow striping in DLP televisions.

who knows.  I am often to prone to see "the wizard behind the curtain" and though this movie really made probably the best attempt I've ever seen to truly take computer generated graphics to a level of realism never known before, i still find the primitive special effects of the original star wars trilogy to be far more captivating than anything I've seen to date.

not to mention whoever they got to play the main character, joe marine jimmyfuck, was an absolute and total douche and unrelatable to anyone, even other extreme and total douches.

characters lacked any semblance of depth, and maybe that's why i couldn't buy it.  the mind is a complicated instrument.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: pbsaurus on February 24, 2010, 11:55:44 AM
I'm personally a fan of Troma's special effects.  I find the low tech/low budget stuff to be far more creative.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: acluett on March 08, 2010, 01:53:13 AM
 Avatar is one of the greatest movies of all time.
The interwoven symbolism is very deep. The realism
is spectacular and the story line is eye opening.
Thank you James Cameron for bringing something to
the big screen that is outstandingly entertaining.

Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on March 08, 2010, 08:25:28 AM
Avatar is one of the greatest movies of all time.
The interwoven symbolism is very deep. The realism
is spectacular and the story line is eye opening.
Thank you James Cameron for bringing something to
the big screen that is outstandingly entertaining.


Grow a pair and stop posting as a guest.

Also, what symbolism? Obtainium?
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: MadOne on March 09, 2010, 01:10:43 AM
alright acluett avatar was not on of the greatest movies of all time. I found that the entire plot straight from TV tropes and very predictable. Also the only thing that was interesting was the graphics and it wasn't so revolutionary that it deserves to be one of the greatest of all time. I find it was only worth watching for the graphics and i found that really cool because i am a huge nerd.

Finally i had a group of us who went to see it and on of showed up half way through the movie, once we left we got an ear full because he spent his last 10 bucks on half a movie that he knew the end to after 10 minutes that alone makes removes the movie from the outstanding entertainment.

In the end i still thought it was worth the 3d only not anything else
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: joyhitech on May 02, 2010, 05:34:47 AM
I think avatar is the best movie for me because I live TITANIC from Mr.Jame Cameron
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: Wunderkind on May 02, 2010, 07:20:27 AM
Your ship is sinking.

Just thought you should know.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: DJ_random on May 07, 2010, 05:04:10 PM
I guess I wasn't here to discuss the disastrous movie known as Avatar. I'll say the same thing that has been said since the movie has come out. Plot = fail. 3D = slightly saved the movie.
I guess the plot of almost every blockbuster movie is quite.. 'FAIL'.
Title: Re: Avatar
Post by: pbsaurus on May 07, 2010, 05:12:07 PM
I don't ever think I've seen a movie about busting blocks.