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Main Forums => Anarchy => Topic started by: Agent_Tachyon on May 01, 2007, 04:03:53 PM
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Anybody celebrating by skipping work?
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Only the illegals.
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No, I did my celebrating at 12:01. Indoors, sadly, since it rained last night.
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Labor day > May day
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Labor Day=May Day-Anarchist Connotations, Pagan Traditions, and bad memories of union activism.
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Labor Day=May Day-Anarchist Connotations, Pagan Traditions, and bad memories of union activism.
May day was started by the communists. Labor day was started by the capitalist/socialist countries. That's the main difference from what I remember.
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Well the pagan bits are from pre-Christian european culture so there's no way commies could have been involved, unless Weekly World News was right and they had a time machine back in the eighties.
My comment about Anarchist connotations was about the Haymarket Riot, in which the archetype of the bomb-throwing anarchist was born. You seem to be mixed up about socialists, since in socialist countries May Day is a huge deal. Labor Day is a United States federal holiday so yeah capitalists came up with that one, and it stands to reason that they were trying to distance themselves from the anarchism that May Day brought to mind back in the day, but I could be wrong.
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May day was started by the communists. Labor day was started by the capitalist/socialist countries. That's the main difference from what I remember.
The Haymarket Riot is important for both Communists and Socialists.
But Beltane existed in pre-Christian Europe, so I'd say the Pagans started it.
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Hmmm, okay, didn't know that. I guess you learn something new everyday.
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The communists & Socialists just latched onto it as another excuse to partay ... ยก Viva Uno de Mayo !
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The Haymarket Riot is important for both Communists and Socialists.
Don't forget those wacky anarchists!
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May day was started by the communists. Labor day was started by the capitalist/socialist countries. That's the main difference from what I remember.
Evonus, would you please consider looking things up before blithely posting stuff about things you know jack about? Please? PLEASE?
Now I have to do blood-pressure-lowering meditation for a few minutes.
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Evonus, would you please consider looking things up before blithely posting stuff about things you know jack about? Please? PLEASE?
Now I have to do blood-pressure-lowering meditation for a few minutes.
You'll be alright. Just breathe in through your eyeballs, and out through your diaphram.
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You ask the impossible.
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Hate Star Wars
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Zapp: The court is intrigued. Perhaps we could hear more about these forbidden words from someone with a sexily seductive voice.
Takei: With pleasure. You see, the show was banned after the Star Trek wars.
Zapp: You mean after the vast migration of Star Wars fans?
Nichols: No, that was the Star Wars trek.
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Evonus, would you please consider looking things up before blithely posting stuff about things you know jack about? Please? PLEASE?
Now I have to do blood-pressure-lowering meditation for a few minutes.
Hey Ivan, could you please try adding something to the actual discussion at hand instead of steering things off topic? Please? PLEASE?
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Hey Ivan, could you please try adding something to the actual discussion at hand instead of steering things off topic? Please? PLEASE?
Evonus, what you were carrying on was not a discussion, but mindless ignorant blathering. You had no idea of the significance of May Day celebrations or their origins, yet you felt free to post misleading and false information.
Listen, the beauty of the internet is that you don't have to appear stupid. Wikipedia has a concise history of May Day. You should have read it before you spat your ignorance onto the forum. I did, even though I didn't have to.
Now, here is my contribution:
When I marched in the May Day parades in Moscow back in the early 70s, it had nothing to do with communism, socialism, labour, solidarity of the proletariat, military might, grandstanding, political speeches or shows of patriotism. It had everything to do with having a rollicking party from morning to night.
Now, to address your post:
May day was started by the communists. Labor day was started by the capitalist/socialist countries. That's the main difference from what I remember.
1. May Day was not started by communists.
2. Who are "the" communists you refer to?
3. What are these "capitalist/socialist" countries you refer to that ostensibly started Labor Day?
Now, for my next trick, I will ask my cat her thoughts on the viability of Einsteinian physics in today's world, and I will get a relatively intelligent response.
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Now, for my next trick, I will ask my cat her thoughts on the viability of Einsteinian physics in today's world, and I will get a relatively intelligent response.
I was about to go do the research, then I realized I'd skipped the word "my."
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Hey Ivan, could you please try adding something to the actual discussion at hand instead of steering things off topic? Please? PLEASE?
Wasn't much of a discussion happening: You posted. You were wrong. We corrected you.
Also, threads almost never stay entirely on topic. Deal with it. That is not to say that intentional gibberish is encouraged or well-tolerated, so don't get any ideas.
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Today happens to be another day in May.
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Was it started by the communists?
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I smell conspiracy
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Conspiracy needs a shower.
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Now, for my next trick, I will ask my cat her thoughts on the viability of Einsteinian physics in today's world, and I will get a relatively intelligent response.
With a little work, you could ask her about Quantum Physics.
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Have you ever tried explaining Quantum Physics and the theory of absolution to a jar of mayo? I did once. The result was quite messy.
Sidenote: I fucking hate hangovers.
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There is an excellent pre-emptive remedy for hangovers.
I think you know what I'm getting at.
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There is an excellent pre-emptive remedy for hangovers.
I think you know what I'm getting at.
Abstinence?
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Exactly.
Works every single goddam time.
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I hear that beheading also works, but I haven't tried it.
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<emily litella>
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What's this I hear about bed wetting being a cure for hangovers?
I can't believe that.
I've wet the bed several times while I was sauced up and woke up with a hang over every time.
In fact, I think that on those times where I DID wet the bed, I woke up with some of the WORST hangovers, ever.
No.
Everyone knows that hangovers are the result of
I think that the best cure for hangovers is drinking 2 glasses of water for every 12 oz of beer or every shot.
Of course, drinking that much wattttt...
Huh?
Oh. Beheading. That's different.
Never mind.
</emily litella>
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Kickin' SNL old-school!
(Isn't that how today's teens talk?)
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I just pound a warm one in the morning, and no hangovah. Huzzah!
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Yeah, because a hangover, by definition, is what happens after you stop drinking.
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Ahhhh ... so that might explain why we always have a drink when we get home from the bar ... lol.
Second best cure for a hangover (after abstinance of course *nods to Ivan*) is to play a game of ice hockey, preferably with only one or two spares and the other team having a full bench. Close third is doing a 5 km charity run.
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Yes, that's how I deal with mine: sweat it out. Chase those toxins out of your body. Water + aspirin + exertion + more water -- by evening I have a clean slate to poison all over again.
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Aspirin and alcohol really aren't good together.
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cigarettes and drinking arent good together. aspirin goes very well with a hangover. i use the same method as bizb though, drink lots of water before i go to sleep. The hangover is usually still there, but not as bad.
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Aspirin and alcohol really aren't good together.
Aside from an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding (because both alcohol and aspirin are hard on the old stomach lining), there is no evidence, or even supposition, that the two taken together are any more dangerous than either taken alone.
You are very good at spreading myths. I hope you're on our side.
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That's it! Evonus you should try to get a job with the Pentagon.
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Aside from an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding (because both alcohol and aspirin are hard on the old stomach lining), there is no evidence, or even supposition, that the two taken together are any more dangerous than either taken alone.
You are very good at spreading myths. I hope you're on our side.
"If you combine alcohol with aspirin, you face an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding. And if you use alcohol and acetaminophen (Tylenol, others), you increase your risk of liver damage. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration requires all over-the-counter pain relievers and fever reducers to carry a warning label advising those who consume three or more drinks a day to consult with their doctors before using the drug."
Source: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024
That's a source, I'm sure I could easily find more. There's also the fact that it's been in every book concerning pharmaceuticals I've ever looked at. If it's a myth, it's a well published one.
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"If you combine alcohol with aspirin, you face an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU UP THERE!!!! FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, READ!!!!!
And if you use alcohol and acetaminophen
ACETOMINOPHEN IS NOT ASPIRIN!!! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
(Tylenol, others), you increase your risk of liver damage. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration requires all over-the-counter pain relievers and fever reducers to carry a warning label advising those who consume three or more drinks a day to consult with their doctors before using the drug."
Source: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024
That's a source, I'm sure I could easily find more. There's also the fact that it's been in every book concerning pharmaceuticals I've ever looked at. If it's a myth, it's a well published one.
why is God punishing me?
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You said it was a myth, which is a lie, so I posted a source proving to you that it is not. Nice job, not knowing what you're talking about, and then trying to weasle out of it though, I appreciate the effort.
I know acetometaphin isn't aspirin. Aspirin is Assalyic Acid, or something like that. Acetometaphin is Tylenol, it was just part of the paragraph I copied, and I forgot to cut it out.
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Aside from an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding (because both alcohol and aspirin are hard on the old stomach lining), there is no evidence, or even supposition, that the two taken together are any more dangerous than either taken alone.
You are very good at spreading myths. I hope you're on our side.
For posterity's sake
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You said it was a myth, which is a lie, so I posted a source proving to you that it is not. Nice job, not knowing what you're talking about, and then trying to weasle out of it though, I appreciate the effort.
I know acetometaphin isn't aspirin. Aspirin is Assalyic Acid, or something like that. Acetometaphin is Tylenol, it was just part of the paragraph I copied, and I forgot to cut it out.
Gosh, should I even adress this asshattery?
Oh, well. Why not?
The idea that taking a couple of aspirin in combination with alcohol is somehow dangerous to a healthy adult is a myth. Unless you already have gastrointestinal bleeding, or some other pre-existing condition, using aspirin to mitigate the effects of drinking will not cause any damage. Your statement that "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together" is misleading and false and implies that aspirin and alcohol are toxic when combined. They are not.
The caveats on OTC medications cover extreme cases. Do you know how much aspirin and alcohol you would need to consume to screw up your stomach to the point of bleeding? A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. A whole bunch, I guess is the point I'm trying to make. Huge amounts. Vast quantities. You would need to achieve levels of consumption that would stagger your imagination.
Acetominophen is another matter. The worst that aspirin does is act as a corrosive on your stomach and intestines. Acetominophen is actually dangerous, because it affects liver function. Alcohol puts a strain on the liver, so in combination with acetominophen can actually cause liver damage. However, even so, a healthy liver will not be ruined if you pop a Tylenol and have a glass of wine.
Everything is harmful in extremes. Even water. But the idea that it's dangerous for a healthy adult to take a couple of asprin before drinking a few beers is a myth.
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Yeah, I hear that dihydrogen monoxide is really dangerous...
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Gosh, should I even adress this asshattery?
Oh, well. Why not?
The idea that taking a couple of aspirin in combination with alcohol is somehow dangerous to a healthy adult is a myth. Unless you already have gastrointestinal bleeding, or some other pre-existing condition, using aspirin to mitigate the effects of drinking will not cause any damage. Your statement that "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together" is misleading and false and implies that aspirin and alcohol are toxic when combined. They are not.
The caveats on OTC medications cover extreme cases. Do you know how much aspirin and alcohol you would need to consume to screw up your stomach to the point of bleeding? A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. A whole bunch, I guess is the point I'm trying to make. Huge amounts. Vast quantities. You would need to achieve levels of consumption that would stagger your imagination.
Acetominophen is another matter. The worst that aspirin does is act as a corrosive on your stomach and intestines. Acetominophen is actually dangerous, because it affects liver function. Alcohol puts a strain on the liver, so in combination with acetominophen can actually cause liver damage. However, even so, a healthy liver will not be ruined if you pop a Tylenol and have a glass of wine.
Everything is harmful in extremes. Even water. But the idea that it's dangerous for a healthy adult to take a couple of asprin before drinking a few beers is a myth.
Got a source saying the quantities or amounts of each you would have to consume, because right now it seems to me like you're just pulling it out of your ass? Since I've read articles about the synergy of Alcohol and aspirin I've been lead to believe it has a noteworthy effect, which would imply what you're saying is false, and I'm going to trust a published article over you, unless you have something to back it up.
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Nope, no sources. I made it all up.
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Nope, no sources. I made it all up.
Why am I not surprised.
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Why am I not surprised.
Because surprise is a function of the brain.
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As is punctuation (a question, even a rhetorical one, should be punctuated with a question mark).
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I don't think ivan was asking a question?
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Because surprise is a function of the brain.
Or maybe because you're generally full of shit.
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I don't think ivan was asking a question?
Evonus: Why am I not surprised.
Ivan: Because surprise is a function of the brain.
Tach (in response to Ivan): As is punctuation (a question, even a rhetorical one, should be punctuated with a question mark).
Evonus: Or maybe because you're generally full of shit.
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I think we'd both probably need question marks. Oh well, I'm not losing sleep over it.
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"If you combine alcohol with aspirin, you face an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding. And if you use alcohol and acetaminophen (Tylenol, others), you increase your risk of liver damage. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration requires all over-the-counter pain relievers and fever reducers to carry a warning label advising those who consume three or more drinks a day to consult with their doctors before using the drug."
Source: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024
That's a source, I'm sure I could easily find more. There's also the fact that it's been in every book concerning pharmaceuticals I've ever looked at. If it's a myth, it's a well published one.
Evonus, if you feel you are being unjustly targeted, then I fervently urge you to place me on your ignore list. I can't imagine why someone would willingly subject oneself to repeated insult, unless one enjoys it on some level. Not to mention the fact that you repeatedly invite strong reaction to your careless remarks.
The remark that I challenged was this: "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together." You posted this remark with no qualification, so I challenged it. My argument is, essentially, that aspirin and alcohol are about as harmful together as they are seperately. Of course this piqued your vanity, since -- God knows why -- you labor under the idea that every one of your utterances must be cherished and accepted without question or challenge by the rest of humanity. So you did what any internet-savvy cretin would do, and Googled "aspirin alcohol". Then, brainlessly, instead of analyzing the findings gained by your painstaking research, you blithely cut and pasted something that on its face appeared to corroborate your initial ignorant utterance.
But that's not the funniest part. The funniest part was this:
There's also the fact that it's been in every book concerning pharmaceuticals I've ever looked at. If it's a myth, it's a well published one.
My brain, upon absorbing those words of yours, almost shook itself out of its skull from the violent vibrations of suppress laughter. In fact, if it were not for the proximity of other humans whom I hold in high enough regard not to wish to distract with meaningless (to them) noises, I believe I would have hooted. Even now I find myself suppressing wavelets of mirth.
How many is "every"? One? Two? Three? Four? Ten? Twenty? And yet, having such extensive and erudite publications at your fingertips, you still chose to Google an internet source in your quest to smash my rebuttal. I suppose I must accept, with chagrin, that this is a measure of the contempt you hold for me. I suppose you consider me incapable of understanding or accepting an exerpt from a scientifically advanced source. So it is with great sadness that I must remove myself from this and all further debate. You are unbeatable. You will prevail in every argument. I am chastened and crushed. I leave it to others on this site to either learn at your feet or -- if they dare -- timorously question your words.
By the way, for those of you who are not as brilliant as Evonus, there is an interesting aspect to his citation (Evonus, you need not read any further, because you already know far more than I will ever know about anything. Seriously, stop reading. Go to the next post.) A whole bunch of OTC medications are going to carry the 3-drink-a-day caveat. I first noticed it a few weeks ago on a Nyquil package. Generally, a message warning users about the potentially harmful effects of mixing alcohol and medication are nothing new or surprising. Some combinations are clearly undesirable, for instance medications with a narcotic side-effect can cause heightened inebriation when consumed with alcohol. But this 3-drinks-a-day warning is something different. The FDA has now defined what constitutes "heavy" drinking.
Heavy drinkers put themselves at risk for all kinds of reasons. Heavy alcohol use compromises organs, the vascular system, the immune system, the brain -- everything. It's bad for you. Other substances besides alcohol, which a healthy body can absorb or withstand without problems, can be toxic to a person damaged by prolonged alcohol use. I think we all know that. But now, for the first time, we have a government-mandated guideline. According to the FDA, if you drink two drinks every day, you are ok. If you drink three drinks every day, you have crossed a line, and should ask your doctor whether it's ok for you to take Tylenol.
Of course, none of this is binding in any way. It's just words on a package. But I think this is the most vague, misleading and confusing caveat ever printed on a product. To start with, what's a "drink"? If I drink 6 drinks four days out of a week, and abstain the other three, am I a heavy drinker? If I'm 7 feet tall and weigh 350 pounds and drink three beers every evening, am I as heavy a drinker as someone who weighs 120 pounds and hammers down 3 martinis before lunch?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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What did you expect from a government that taxes alcohol?
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FDA labelling requirements are targeted to the herd, so by law they are required to be simplistic.
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I'm surprised they were able to arrive at a number at all. There are many contradictory opinions regarding "safe" levels of drinking. If it weren't for the French Paradox thing, I think that number would've been set to ANY amount taken daily. However, all studies showing any supposed benefits of alcohol are subject to rebuttal. The same goes for aspirin. There is already a backlash against the "daily aspirin prevents heart disease" paradigm.
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I invoke Godwin's Law!
"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think." -Adolf Hitler
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Haven't used that in a while.
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The FDA has been gutted over the years. It's amazing that they get to do anything anymore. For big decisions they have to reach consensus with FTA, or in the case of alcohol, ATF. Plus they have to go through the HHS Secretary. Then there are all the competing lobbies, from consumer activist groups, to MADD, to the alcoholic beverage giants. I'm about halfway through Food Politics by Marion Nestle and the corruption in the government regulatory agencies, Congress, and the executive branch is amazing.
When the only sound in the empty street,
Is the heavy tread of the heavy feet
That belong to a lobbyist
The politicians open shop.
When the moon so long has been gazing down
On the wayward ways of this wayward town.
That her smile becomes a smirk,
I go to work.
Government for sale,
Appetizing young Government for sale.
Government that's fresh and still unspoiled,
Government that's only slightly soiled,
Government for sale.
Who will buy?
Who would like to sample my supply?
Who's prepared to pay the price,
For a trip to paradise?
Government for sale
Let the poets pipe of Government
in their childish way,
I know every type of Government
Better far than they.
If you want the thrill of Government,
I've been through the mill of Government;
Old Government, new Government
Every Government but true Government
Government for sale.
Appetising young Government for sale.
If you want to buy my wares.
Follow me and climb the stairs
Government for sale.
Government for sale.
Let the poets pipe of Government
in their childish way,
I know every type of Government
Better far than they.
If you want the thrill of Government,
I've been through the mill of Government;
Old Government, new Government
Every Government but true Government
Government for sale.
Appetising young Government for sale.
If you want to buy my wares.
Follow me and climb the stairs
Government for sale.
Government for sale.
Government for sale.
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I invoke Godwin's Law!
"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think." -Adolf Hitler
Thank Pepe, that means the thread is over.
Someone lock it, quick!
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Agent has the power.
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It's sorta cool how it went full circle though from politics to something retarded to politics (possibly something retarded in itself I suppose).
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Evonus, if you feel you are being unjustly targeted, then I fervently urge you to place me on your ignore list. I can't imagine why someone would willingly subject oneself to repeated insult, unless one enjoys it on some level. Not to mention the fact that you repeatedly invite strong reaction to your careless remarks.
The remark that I challenged was this: "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together." You posted this remark with no qualification, so I challenged it. My argument is, essentially, that aspirin and alcohol are about as harmful together as they are seperately. Of course this piqued your vanity, since -- God knows why -- you labor under the idea that every one of your utterances must be cherished and accepted without question or challenge by the rest of humanity. So you did what any internet-savvy cretin would do, and Googled "aspirin alcohol". Then, brainlessly, instead of analyzing the findings gained by your painstaking research, you blithely cut and pasted something that on its face appeared to corroborate your initial ignorant utterance.
But that's not the funniest part. The funniest part was this:
My brain, upon absorbing those words of yours, almost shook itself out of its skull from the violent vibrations of suppress laughter. In fact, if it were not for the proximity of other humans whom I hold in high enough regard not to wish to distract with meaningless (to them) noises, I believe I would have hooted. Even now I find myself suppressing wavelets of mirth.
How many is "every"? One? Two? Three? Four? Ten? Twenty? And yet, having such extensive and erudite publications at your fingertips, you still chose to Google an internet source in your quest to smash my rebuttal. I suppose I must accept, with chagrin, that this is a measure of the contempt you hold for me. I suppose you consider me incapable of understanding or accepting an exerpt from a scientifically advanced source. So it is with great sadness that I must remove myself from this and all further debate. You are unbeatable. You will prevail in every argument. I am chastened and crushed. I leave it to others on this site to either learn at your feet or -- if they dare -- timorously question your words.
By the way, for those of you who are not as brilliant as Evonus, there is an interesting aspect to his citation (Evonus, you need not read any further, because you already know far more than I will ever know about anything. Seriously, stop reading. Go to the next post.) A whole bunch of OTC medications are going to carry the 3-drink-a-day caveat. I first noticed it a few weeks ago on a Nyquil package. Generally, a message warning users about the potentially harmful effects of mixing alcohol and medication are nothing new or surprising. Some combinations are clearly undesirable, for instance medications with a narcotic side-effect can cause heightened inebriation when consumed with alcohol. But this 3-drinks-a-day warning is something different. The FDA has now defined what constitutes "heavy" drinking.
Heavy drinkers put themselves at risk for all kinds of reasons. Heavy alcohol use compromises organs, the vascular system, the immune system, the brain -- everything. It's bad for you. Other substances besides alcohol, which a healthy body can absorb or withstand without problems, can be toxic to a person damaged by prolonged alcohol use. I think we all know that. But now, for the first time, we have a government-mandated guideline. According to the FDA, if you drink two drinks every day, you are ok. If you drink three drinks every day, you have crossed a line, and should ask your doctor whether it's ok for you to take Tylenol.
Of course, none of this is binding in any way. It's just words on a package. But I think this is the most vague, misleading and confusing caveat ever printed on a product. To start with, what's a "drink"? If I drink 6 drinks four days out of a week, and abstain the other three, am I a heavy drinker? If I'm 7 feet tall and weigh 350 pounds and drink three beers every evening, am I as heavy a drinker as someone who weighs 120 pounds and hammers down 3 martinis before lunch?
Inquiring minds want to know.
As I said I would (in a different thread), I am now cheering ivan on. You have my full support.
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Awesome!
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Evonus, if you feel you are being unjustly targeted, then I fervently urge you to place me on your ignore list. I can't imagine why someone would willingly subject oneself to repeated insult, unless one enjoys it on some level. Not to mention the fact that you repeatedly invite strong reaction to your careless remarks.
Fact, I really don't give a shit about what you say, insulting or complimenting, that's why I haven't added you to my ignore list. I have 3 younger brothers, and I was the nerdy kid in school, I know what it's like to be aggravated every day from the time I get up, to the time I go to bed, and I've basically become resistant to being insulted. You can't get anything other than a giggle or a standard response from me without referencing my personal life.
The remark that I challenged was this: "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together." You posted this remark with no qualification, so I challenged it. My argument is, essentially, that aspirin and alcohol are about as harmful together as they are seperately. Of course this piqued your vanity, since -- God knows why -- you labor under the idea that every one of your utterances must be cherished and accepted without question or challenge by the rest of humanity. So you did what any internet-savvy cretin would do, and Googled "aspirin alcohol". Then, brainlessly, instead of analyzing the findings gained by your painstaking research, you blithely cut and pasted something that on its face appeared to corroborate your initial ignorant utterance.
I know this will come as a shock to you, because you can't believe that someone you don't particularly care for knows more than you about a topic, but this is my area of interest, and the area I am pursuing a career in, so hence, I know a little bit about it I'd think. I know a great deal about chemical reactions involving medications, I didn't read what I said on a bumper sticker, but you guys complain that I don't have a source, so I found one for you.
How many is "every"? One? Two? Three? Four? Ten? Twenty? And yet, having such extensive and erudite publications at your fingertips, you still chose to Google an internet source in your quest to smash my rebuttal. I suppose I must accept, with chagrin, that this is a measure of the contempt you hold for me. I suppose you consider me incapable of understanding or accepting an exerpt from a scientifically advanced source. So it is with great sadness that I must remove myself from this and all further debate. You are unbeatable. You will prevail in every argument. I am chastened and crushed. I leave it to others on this site to either learn at your feet or -- if they dare -- timorously question your words.
I don't have the sources with me still. Like I told you, this is the area I study, and thus I've been handed a few(3-4) pieces of literature containing this topic, none of which I still have, because I have nothing with me from school right now, because I'm not at school. Most sources I will ever present to you on this site will come from google, because I obviously can't show you a book or magazine I'm reading, and I don't get most of my information originally from the internet. Don't like it? Don't engage me in debate in the future.
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I see.
How does aspirin chemically interact with alcohol? What byproduct is produced as a result of their reaction? How does that byproduct affect the human organism?
After you've answered that, please tell me the same with regard to alcohol and acetaminophen. How do they interact?
You can google it, and cut and paste the answers, but I would think that since it's your area of interest you can give me an illuminating answer off the top of your head.
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I see.
How does aspirin chemically interact with alcohol? What byproduct is produced as a result of their reaction? How does that byproduct affect the human organism?
There isn't a reaction between the two chemicals, per se, at least as far as I remember. The alcohol serves as a catalyst to increase the negative affects of the aspirin, by making it more reactive with the lining of the stomach, as well as decreasing the pH of the gastrointestinal fluids.
After you've answered that, please tell me the same with regard to alcohol and acetaminophen. How do they interact?
You can google it, and cut and paste the answers, but I would think that since it's your area of interest you can give me an illuminating answer off the top of your head.
Acetometaphin I'm not as familiar with, I've only really seen the relationship of the two in one article a few years ago. I believe that acetometaphin reduces the livers ability to function, and obviously, as alcohol is metabolized in the liver, it prevents this from happening and causes a backup, but don't quote me on that one.
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So, assuming I have no indications of liver disease or internal bleeding, would you say that I am at risk if I have a half-bottle or so of a 1982 Chateau Margaux with my roasted chicken, then take two 325mg aspirin tablets before bed?
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So, assuming I have no indications of liver disease or internal bleeding, would you say that I am at risk if I have a half-bottle or so of a 1982 Chateau Margaux with my roasted chicken, then take two 325mg aspirin tablets before bed?
Obviously it would depend on how fast you drank it. If you drank it all within the hour, I'd say that you could potentially damage the lining of your stomach.
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Ah! Dang it! I've been doing it all wrong these last two decades!
Strange, however, that I haven't found any mention of this startling medical fact anywhere on the internet. It must be just now coming out of years-long research and testing.
We might also inform the FDA that their guidelines for aspirin and alcohol use is woefully inadequate:
Q. What should consumers who are taking low dose aspirin for disease maintenance or prevention know about alcohol use?
A. Patients who consume 3 or more alcoholic drinks every day should be counseled about the bleeding risks involved with chronic, heavy alcohol use while taking aspirin.
(http://www.fda.gov/cder/news/aspirin/aspirin_qa.htm)
That should be revised to read:
A. According to Evonus, if a patient consumes 3 glasses of wine and 2 aspirin tablets in the course of one hour, he may damage the lining of his stomach, whereas drinking the 3 glasses alone, or taking the aspirin alone, will have no adverse effect on the lining of his stomach.
I'll bring this up with my doctor, too.
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Ah! Dang it! I've been doing it all wrong these last two decades!
Strange, however, that I haven't found any mention of this startling medical fact anywhere on the internet. It must be just now coming out of years-long research and testing.
We might also inform the FDA that their guidelines for aspirin and alcohol use is woefully inadequate:
Q. What should consumers who are taking low dose aspirin for disease maintenance or prevention know about alcohol use?
A. Patients who consume 3 or more alcoholic drinks every day should be counseled about the bleeding risks involved with chronic, heavy alcohol use while taking aspirin.
(http://www.fda.gov/cder/news/aspirin/aspirin_qa.htm)
That should be revised to read:
A. According to Evonus, if a patient consumes 3 glasses of wine and 2 aspirin tablets in the course of one hour, he may damage the lining of his stomach, whereas drinking the 3 glasses alone, or taking the aspirin alone, will have no adverse effect on the lining of his stomach.
I'll bring this up with my doctor, too.
Okay, feel free.
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Evonus, just because chronic heavy drinkers with compromised digestive systems should avoid aspirin does not mean everyone else should. Aspirin will not cause your stomach to bleed unless you ingest quantities far in excess of recommended dosages, no matter how much wine you drink that same hour, and unless your stomach is already compromised, in which case it will eventually bleed from alcohol or aspirin alone. If you hear of a case where a person with a healthy stomach suddenly starts bleeding after 3 glasses of wine and a couple of aspirin, let us know. Hell, publish it and get your doctorate.
See, Vespertine? It is useless. Someone impervious to logic cannot be budged. I fold.
You win, Evonus! :-)
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I feel like this is a good time for me to join this discussion. I have opinions on the topic that I feel the need to share and so I will do so, now.
Firstly, it is my opinion that ibuprofen alone is worse on your stomach than any combination of aspirin and alcohol. Once, I took 800mg ibuprofen on an empty stomach and I got really bad heart burn for several days. I didn't even have a drink, either. Plus, it hurt. Since ibuprofen is obviously worse for your stomach than the combination of alcohol and aspirin, I feel that the FDA is wasting their time trying to regulate the use of aspirin and alcohol. The time would be better spent on regulation of ibuprofen.
Then, I watched The Last King of Scotland and after that scene where that one fat black guy had a really bad stomach ache and he thought he had been poisoned, I thought twice about how bad it really hurt when I took that ibuprofen on an empty stomach. I guess it didn't hurt bad enough to summon a doctor, so that Uganda d00d clearly was in more pain. He probably felt that the end was near. I felt sorry for him. But then, he was the president of Uganda and I'll never do that, so why should I feel sorry for him? Uganda d00d wasn't bleeding from the stomach, though. He just had a really big fart stored in his belly.
Since Uganda d00d drank beer and took aspirin and got really bad gas, I think the FDA should put warnings on those products warning, not the person consuming those two items, but the people around them, that the potential for greenhouse gas release is greatly increased around such people. If you've ever had a gas pain, you know what Uganda d00d went through and you'll agree that you should NEVER take aspirin and drink beer.
Beer is alcohol.
Therefore, I have to agree with Evonus. Aspirin and alcohol really aren't good together.
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You win, Evonus! :-)
Yay!
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Ah, that was my problem! I haven't seen that Uganda film, so I didn't have all the facts. Now it makes sense. But Tylenol still scares me worse, because it can cause liver damage. I'd rather bleed from the stomach than have no liver, because having no liver will certainly be worse. And as far as getting a replacement liver, I'm not no fucking David Crosby. As I've mentioned elsewhere. There'd be like ten million Tylenol users ahead of me in line at the liver replacement place.
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Would a doctor implant a liver if I carried it into the hospital inside a cooler NQA?
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Would a doctor implant a liver if I carried it into the hospital inside a cooler NQA?
I'll do it for you for a small fee, just swing on by.