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Because surprise is a function of the brain.
I don't think ivan was asking a question?
"If you combine alcohol with aspirin, you face an increased risk of gastrointestinal bleeding. And if you use alcohol and acetaminophen (Tylenol, others), you increase your risk of liver damage. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration requires all over-the-counter pain relievers and fever reducers to carry a warning label advising those who consume three or more drinks a day to consult with their doctors before using the drug." Source: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024That's a source, I'm sure I could easily find more. There's also the fact that it's been in every book concerning pharmaceuticals I've ever looked at. If it's a myth, it's a well published one.
There's also the fact that it's been in every book concerning pharmaceuticals I've ever looked at. If it's a myth, it's a well published one.
I invoke Godwin's Law!"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think." -Adolf Hitler
Evonus, if you feel you are being unjustly targeted, then I fervently urge you to place me on your ignore list. I can't imagine why someone would willingly subject oneself to repeated insult, unless one enjoys it on some level. Not to mention the fact that you repeatedly invite strong reaction to your careless remarks.The remark that I challenged was this: "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together." You posted this remark with no qualification, so I challenged it. My argument is, essentially, that aspirin and alcohol are about as harmful together as they are seperately. Of course this piqued your vanity, since -- God knows why -- you labor under the idea that every one of your utterances must be cherished and accepted without question or challenge by the rest of humanity. So you did what any internet-savvy cretin would do, and Googled "aspirin alcohol". Then, brainlessly, instead of analyzing the findings gained by your painstaking research, you blithely cut and pasted something that on its face appeared to corroborate your initial ignorant utterance.But that's not the funniest part. The funniest part was this: My brain, upon absorbing those words of yours, almost shook itself out of its skull from the violent vibrations of suppress laughter. In fact, if it were not for the proximity of other humans whom I hold in high enough regard not to wish to distract with meaningless (to them) noises, I believe I would have hooted. Even now I find myself suppressing wavelets of mirth. How many is "every"? One? Two? Three? Four? Ten? Twenty? And yet, having such extensive and erudite publications at your fingertips, you still chose to Google an internet source in your quest to smash my rebuttal. I suppose I must accept, with chagrin, that this is a measure of the contempt you hold for me. I suppose you consider me incapable of understanding or accepting an exerpt from a scientifically advanced source. So it is with great sadness that I must remove myself from this and all further debate. You are unbeatable. You will prevail in every argument. I am chastened and crushed. I leave it to others on this site to either learn at your feet or -- if they dare -- timorously question your words.By the way, for those of you who are not as brilliant as Evonus, there is an interesting aspect to his citation (Evonus, you need not read any further, because you already know far more than I will ever know about anything. Seriously, stop reading. Go to the next post.) A whole bunch of OTC medications are going to carry the 3-drink-a-day caveat. I first noticed it a few weeks ago on a Nyquil package. Generally, a message warning users about the potentially harmful effects of mixing alcohol and medication are nothing new or surprising. Some combinations are clearly undesirable, for instance medications with a narcotic side-effect can cause heightened inebriation when consumed with alcohol. But this 3-drinks-a-day warning is something different. The FDA has now defined what constitutes "heavy" drinking. Heavy drinkers put themselves at risk for all kinds of reasons. Heavy alcohol use compromises organs, the vascular system, the immune system, the brain -- everything. It's bad for you. Other substances besides alcohol, which a healthy body can absorb or withstand without problems, can be toxic to a person damaged by prolonged alcohol use. I think we all know that. But now, for the first time, we have a government-mandated guideline. According to the FDA, if you drink two drinks every day, you are ok. If you drink three drinks every day, you have crossed a line, and should ask your doctor whether it's ok for you to take Tylenol.Of course, none of this is binding in any way. It's just words on a package. But I think this is the most vague, misleading and confusing caveat ever printed on a product. To start with, what's a "drink"? If I drink 6 drinks four days out of a week, and abstain the other three, am I a heavy drinker? If I'm 7 feet tall and weigh 350 pounds and drink three beers every evening, am I as heavy a drinker as someone who weighs 120 pounds and hammers down 3 martinis before lunch?Inquiring minds want to know.
Evonus, if you feel you are being unjustly targeted, then I fervently urge you to place me on your ignore list. I can't imagine why someone would willingly subject oneself to repeated insult, unless one enjoys it on some level. Not to mention the fact that you repeatedly invite strong reaction to your careless remarks.
The remark that I challenged was this: "Alcohol and aspirin really aren't good together." You posted this remark with no qualification, so I challenged it. My argument is, essentially, that aspirin and alcohol are about as harmful together as they are seperately. Of course this piqued your vanity, since -- God knows why -- you labor under the idea that every one of your utterances must be cherished and accepted without question or challenge by the rest of humanity. So you did what any internet-savvy cretin would do, and Googled "aspirin alcohol". Then, brainlessly, instead of analyzing the findings gained by your painstaking research, you blithely cut and pasted something that on its face appeared to corroborate your initial ignorant utterance.
How many is "every"? One? Two? Three? Four? Ten? Twenty? And yet, having such extensive and erudite publications at your fingertips, you still chose to Google an internet source in your quest to smash my rebuttal. I suppose I must accept, with chagrin, that this is a measure of the contempt you hold for me. I suppose you consider me incapable of understanding or accepting an exerpt from a scientifically advanced source. So it is with great sadness that I must remove myself from this and all further debate. You are unbeatable. You will prevail in every argument. I am chastened and crushed. I leave it to others on this site to either learn at your feet or -- if they dare -- timorously question your words.
I see.How does aspirin chemically interact with alcohol? What byproduct is produced as a result of their reaction? How does that byproduct affect the human organism?
After you've answered that, please tell me the same with regard to alcohol and acetaminophen. How do they interact?You can google it, and cut and paste the answers, but I would think that since it's your area of interest you can give me an illuminating answer off the top of your head.
So, assuming I have no indications of liver disease or internal bleeding, would you say that I am at risk if I have a half-bottle or so of a 1982 Chateau Margaux with my roasted chicken, then take two 325mg aspirin tablets before bed?
Ah! Dang it! I've been doing it all wrong these last two decades!Strange, however, that I haven't found any mention of this startling medical fact anywhere on the internet. It must be just now coming out of years-long research and testing.We might also inform the FDA that their guidelines for aspirin and alcohol use is woefully inadequate:Q. What should consumers who are taking low dose aspirin for disease maintenance or prevention know about alcohol use?A. Patients who consume 3 or more alcoholic drinks every day should be counseled about the bleeding risks involved with chronic, heavy alcohol use while taking aspirin.That should be revised to read:A. According to Evonus, if a patient consumes 3 glasses of wine and 2 aspirin tablets in the course of one hour, he may damage the lining of his stomach, whereas drinking the 3 glasses alone, or taking the aspirin alone, will have no adverse effect on the lining of his stomach.I'll bring this up with my doctor, too.
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