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We no longer beat up protestors,
we haven't had a draft since vietnam IIRC. Civil liberties and in place, and there is a country wide movement to actually make sure our citizens are educated. Not to mention most of the same mentalities (extreme nationalism mainly), does not exist anymore because of globalization. It's not like Bush just Nuke'd someone a year ago.
Try showing up at any Bush-organized event with an anti-Bush t-shirt on and see how far you get. The last time they came to my town they arrested people who were across the street from the venue at which Dubya showed up who were just standing there with signs.On public property.Permits are not necessary in this city for protests if the numbers are fewer than 1000.Those arrested were not even charged with anything... they were later released without any charges being filed.I know one of the people who was arrested. She insisted on being charged with something, anything, but they refused and kicked her to the curb after the Bush rally was over with.This administration is not friendly to protestors. The arrest of people just for the purpose of detaining them to keep them from protesting is a severe violation of their 1st amendment rights.
No, but he did invade a country that was in no way a legitimate threat to us.
Arresting and assaulting are two different things. I don't agree with the arrests, but they didn't nightstick people
so it's an improvement even if it's a small one.
i dont get it vespertine... and i mean this with all due respect, but if this country sucks so bad according to you, why bother living here? there are hundreds of other countries to live in. maybe one of them you can agree with the politics......like canada, or france?
i dont mind if she disagrees with some of the issues, shoot, there are some i dont agree with, but it seems she has a problem with EVERYTHING. thats when you hae to question.or, if she tried to actually do something about it, besides complaining about every political issue in a forum, go and do something about it.
i dont mind if she disagrees with some of the issues, shoot, there are some i dont agree with, but it seems she has a problem with EVERYTHING. thats when you hae to question.or, if she tried to actually do something about it, besides complaining about every political issue in a forum, go and do something about it.its like those people who are all like "save to o-zone, and eco system" yet, drive hummers.
Oh no you DI'N'T!Don't EVEN tell me that you just suggested that V simply leave the country of her birth, rather than stay here and make it a better place. I don't agree with every opinion of hers, but on one thing I think Vespertine and I are both pretty well firm on: we're not going anywhere. I take offense at the very suggestion that we "love it or leave it". Tell her that and you're telling ME that too.
Everything? When debating, you really should avoid words like everything, nothing, always and never. The point of a discussion board is to discuss. It'd be pretty boring around here if someone posted something and everyone just chimed in with an "I agree".Finally, I do go out and do something about it. Through conversation (and yes, debate) I help people to see that there is more than one side to a position, and sometimes they help me to do the same thing. I also do the most important thing that anyone can do with regard to their political views. I vote.
Firstly, you DON'T 'hae' to question anything if you don't want to, just follow Bush like he says. And lastly, the words are 'ozone' and 'ecosystem', and how do you know that this is even the case?
That whole 'if you don't like it you can geeeeet out' idea is worn out and busted.
I agree!What? You knew someone was going to do it.
Damn you earlier time zone people! You beat me to it.I vote regularly too and I've only voted for a few winners in the 22 years I've been voting (and most of those were no on propositions, with a few local offices thrown in). But for most offices I don't vote for a Demublican or Republocrat. I wish the rest would follow suit, then we wouldn't have all these problems. We'd probably have completely different ones.As for the upcoming election, I'm voting for several Libertarians and a few Greens. We have a couple "Libertarians" on the ticket who are just disgruntled Republicans who feel the Republicans aren't bigoted enough. The candidate for governor wants to imprison all illegals, so I don't really consider him a Libertarian, so I'm voting for Peter Camejo, the Green candidate. I not only vote, but I do the unheard thing of actually reading and researching before I vote. If everyone did this, the television commercials would be rendered moot and money would be removed from politics. But that's really a pipe-dream, isn't it?
I go on auto-pilot and vote no the minute I read the word "bond" in any state measure.
The US, for all of it's faults, is very stable as compared to make of the other countries of the international community. (Perhaps because we have two parties that tend to be similar to each other, so that when one party comes into power the entire system isn't destroyed and rebuilt.)It also used nuclear weapons, twice, in the 1940's to end WWII. That's it. We, and all of the other countries, haven't used them to attack each other since. Sure, there were times when we were scared that Russia would launch an assault on us, (And vice versa) but we managed to pull through that. We even set up an agreement to try and limit the number of nuclear weapons that we had.I doubt NK is anywhere NEAR as stable as that, which is a cause of concern for not just us but the world as a whole. If NK uses the weapons it has, more than just the US would be effected by it. There is also the concern that they, or Iran, would give nuclear weapons to individual organizations bent on destroying us and the "free" world. And we are free, at least in comparison to the societies they come from, so that's probably an accurate enough description.Just my 2 cents.
I vote regularly too and I've only voted for a few winners in the 22 years I've been voting (and most of those were no on propositions, with a few local offices thrown in). But for most offices I don't vote for a Demublican or Republocrat. I wish the rest would follow suit, then we wouldn't have all these problems. We'd probably have completely different ones.
As for the upcoming election, I'm voting for several Libertarians and a few Greens. We have a couple "Libertarians" on the ticket who are just disgruntled Republicans who feel the Republicans aren't bigoted enough. The candidate for governor wants to imprison all illegals, so I don't really consider him a Libertarian, so I'm voting for Peter Camejo, the Green candidate.
I not only vote, but I do the unheard thing of actually reading and researching before I vote. If everyone did this, the television commercials would be rendered moot and money would be removed from politics. But that's really a pipe-dream, isn't it?
I just wish the other parties would get a little more representation. Maybe then we'd have a more moderate system instead of these polarized oposites. Also, some different swapping of issues would be nice for creating new parties. Like I personally would love to see a more economically conservative party with no ties to religion. The closest thing to that is the libertarians, but they're a little to into outsourcing for my liking....
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