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Vespertine · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2008, 09:31:10 PM »

Quote from: bananaskittles on December 10, 2008, 08:39:14 PM

Just stating a fact and trying to see if anyone will get offended over nothing.

So....you're trolling?

Also, what's your proof?

Vespertine · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2008, 10:18:13 PM »

Are you planning on actually answering the question when you're done being a wiseass?

Wunderkind · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2008, 11:35:03 PM »

I would like to be a wise-ass.

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..."Jesus isn't in the hands of historians,"...

So...
Does he qualify as a fairy or a unicorn? Perhaps some prototype of the wingless sprite?

Oh, and that whole article gave me a nose-bleed. Give me a bit to clean up the mess and I'll post my favourite excerpts.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2008, 12:41:44 AM »

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"It's very important because (the film) is going to provide an image of Jesus for African-Americans that is no longer under the control of whites," says Stephenson Humphries-Brooks,

Yes, because it has long been the plan of the wasp to beat down the black man with a white Jesus.

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"Black people in this country are the only race of people who worship a god outside their own image," says LaMarre

What the hell...
Because all black people in this country are Christians.

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adding that showing Christ as a black man is "the most poignant way to deal with the issue of race in this country because it goes to the heart of how we look at the world."

So, she thinks the whole world is a black man and I think the whole world is a religious figure who was blown way out of proportion. Sweet.

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Film is a powerful place to have the discussion, says Humphries-Brooks, who calls the medium "one of the last places that is quasi-public for the formation of values in America."

Because we all know black people don't read.

Then, there's this crowning glory:

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"What we have now is our own debate and, in that debate, race has to be a factor because race is a big predicament in American life."

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"The message is that colour, a coloured Jesus Christ, doesn't matter," he says. "That's why the movie is important.

So, which is it? Either it's a big deal or it doesn't matter.
Yes, ma'am, I'd like one contradiction with a side of fries and biggie size that please.

My own opinions fall somewhere along these lines:

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"He's of Mediterranean stock, and it's quite clear what that means. We see people like that in the world today, and that should end the matter." The fact that the debate rages on regardless is fascinating, he says, because of what it says about people's other issues.

Taken from this article.

The fact is that Jesus was Hebrew and from the Middle East. Today, we'd probably have him up our terrorist watch list, especially with all the trouble he'd be causing in Israel.

12AX7 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2008, 01:52:09 AM »

bahahaa!!!

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from your article
As light-hearted evidence that Jesus was black, it adds that he "called everybody 'brother', liked Gospel, and couldn't get a fair trial".

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2008, 08:53:02 AM »

he was not black. Or white. He was like this fudge-tan cappucino caramel colour. Making him the best of boths worlds.

Becuse he lied, but could do magic, he got to see the best of both worlds. And he is responsible for planting donosaur bones.

He was like a desert ninja. I dont know any black ninjas though.

So he's dead, and thats gonna make it hard for you guys to get to the end of that one.

I am the new DigiJesus.

12AX7 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2008, 08:59:45 AM »

Quote from: RubberFingerStan on December 11, 2008, 08:53:02 AM

I am the new DigiJesus.

Jose Dejesus?

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:02:11 AM »

Sorry - quickly off topic, but do you dudes know the singer RODRIGUEZ (aka Sugarman)

?
I think his real name is Jesus Rodriguez from LA

12AX7 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:04:35 AM »

I believe he's running with the Never Herd.

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:10:33 AM »

Please help me understand this - can you check sugarman.org and tell me if you heard of him.

Interesting story - he apparently never made it big in the states, but his disks flew (and still do) in South Africa and Australia.

Apparently he didnt even know that he was famous here till 20 years after the release!!

duwanis · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:20:56 AM »

Quite frankly, if you believe Jesus is who he said he was, but feel like you need to open a debate about his skin color...... you're missing the point.

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:40:03 AM »

Skin colour denotes ethnicity. Ethnicity denotes custom and tradition.

I think that cross-culture religion is sad. People....ag, actuallt I dont even feel like going there...somebody give us a wow!

duwanis · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:44:34 AM »

Quote from: RubberFingerStan on December 11, 2008, 09:40:03 AM

Skin colour denotes ethnicity. Ethnicity denotes custom and tradition.

His customs and traditions are well established; He was Jewish.
Unless you're referring to modern Christian customs and traditions... in which case I repeat, if his skin color affects that, then somebody's missed the point.

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #15 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:51:19 AM »

He can almost be viewed as borderline progressive. His teachings and aphorisms were pulled from far and wide, with heavy Egyptian influence is some cases. Perhaps the start of new-age thinking - loosely speaking.

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #16 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:52:29 AM »

Sorry - NUBIAN - so yeah, not really white...

duwanis · « **Reply #17 on:** December 11, 2008, 09:59:55 AM »

Quote from: RubberFingerStan on December 11, 2008, 09:52:29 AM

Sorry - NUBIAN - so yeah, not really white...

So a white person couldn't speak from a nubian-influenced viewpoint?

Race doesn't factor into it. You can try and make it important, sure, but when it boils down to it... it doesn't alter anything he said or did. Nor can it reliably be inferred from the records we have, unless you want to go with the safe "Jewish" bet.

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2008, 10:03:03 AM »

True.

ivan · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:06:39 AM »

Are we talking historic Jesus, or mythical Jesus? Because mythical Jesus is whatever you want him to be.

Historical Jesus, on the other hand, is bound by ordinary laws of physics, genetics, and geopolitics. If you can establish the presense of a negroid population in and around Nazareth circa 50 to 0 BC, then you might have a case. But even then, unless all the local folk were astoundingly color-blind in those days, one could rightly expect a black Jesus' countenance to merit some note in the earliest accounts of his carreer.

But you may believe what you want to believe. Believing that Jesus somehow miraculously possessed a gene that produced more melanin than is typical in semitic populations is no more preposterous than the rest of the story.

RubberFingerStan · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:14:10 AM »

So a fudge caramel mochachino colour is acceptable?

12AX7 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:14:42 AM »

If you're eating him, yeh.

ivan · « **Reply #22 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:23:59 AM »

By the way, if anyone is actually remotely seriously interested in the subject of the historic Jesus, here is a good place to start: Jesus: A Life, by A.N. Wilson.

For those that don't know me, I am a hard atheist, so Wilson's book passed a tough test.

duwanis · « **Reply #23 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:28:20 AM »

Quote from: ivan on December 11, 2008, 11:23:59 AM

For those that don't know me, I am a hard atheist

As opposed to a flaccid atheist?

Jokes aside, and out of curiosity; how would you describe the distinction?

ivan · « **Reply #24 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:32:20 AM »

Same as the common term "strong atheism". People intuitively understand what "hard" implies, so I use it in mixed company.

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