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Main Forums => Political Opinions => Topic started by: jimmi on July 28, 2008, 09:48:17 PM
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Ronald Reagan
Thomas Edison
The Pope
The 'Virgin' Mary and all the other virgins
Jesus/Muhammad
Columbus
Ronald Reagan is the most overrated US president there's ever been.
Republicans give him credit for "winning the cold war", when actually it was the Russians own nuclear accident in Chernobyl and an economy that didn't work that caused the breakup of the USSR. Reagan knew full well when he stood in front of a crowd and demanded that Gorbachev tear down the wall that the wall was already being torn down...
Ronald Reagan also sold biochemical weapons to the Saudis for them to attack Iran and steal the oil fields for the multinationals... which was later used as an excuse for Bush I to invade Iran.
what's really funny about that is... that the year Reagan took office...in 1981, there was a practice national defense alert in the US. We were all told to buy black plastic and tape and seal off our windows and doors as we would as if we were under biochemical attack.. and turn our lights off on a certain night...
I was one of the few people who actually went through with all this BS...
And then Reagan goes and sells biochems to the Iraqis two years later!!!! *LOL*
He also exported satellite technology to China in 84, which is one of the main sources of technology they used to develop an ICBM...
He and his minion, Bush I, also quadrupled the national debt during twelve years in office.
Reagan also was president of the Screen Actor's Guild before he became president. He got the film "Salt of the Earth" (which is a free movie on the web now)about the new Mexico copper miner's strike in the early fifties, blacklisted as a film which was "Unamerican". He also negotiated away the rights of performers to residual payment for movies that they performed in that were still making money for the studios...
Kurt Cobain was thinking about becoming a boxer but as it turns out, couldn't take a shot to the head.....
JFK: like a true democrat, he flip-flopped over the Bay of Pigs invasion and managed to fuck it up beyond all recognition. Cuba went commie and within a year or two had no less than 40 ballistic nuclear weapons under the launch command of a Soviet major (that's right, not Kruschev, not a general, a major) Many of us should consider ourselves lucky to even be alive right now. Nice goin, Jack.
Woodrow Wilson: naive and bookish; passively allowed the devious Colonel House to lead him around by his nose and get us into WWI; and let us not forget the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. We've had much worse presidents, but few who have received such historical accolades.
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Post 'Em!
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I disagree. He had some very interesting sexual tastes, very underrated sexual tastes.
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Hitler.
He was a vegetarian painter. And a sissy.
"I can't get ze fuckin' tree . . . DAMN! I will kill everyone in the world!"
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Only those who were not Aryan.
Excluding himself of course because who else to lead the Nazis to glory, amirite? He was a simple man, a believer in the purity of race.
He just had some anger issues.
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... a believer in the purity of race...
His mother was Jewish (in part).
Must've been matricidal too.
Probably a little suicidal as well.
All in all, a pretty awesomely fucked up little dude.
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I think the Virgin Mary is pretty overrated.
She wasn't a fucking virgin :roll:
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No.
I happen to believe that if we do have some 'intelligent architect' as those crazy Christians like to call it, he or they must be aliens. Because every intelligent Christian will agree the Architect is an extraterrestrial, not of this earth. I just believe it'd have to be a group of aliens. Like the Raelians believe.
So even if Jesus was conceived by some experiment, she still wouldn't be a virgin because she would have had a giant metal rod up her pussy.
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While we're on this topic, I nominate God as an overrated historical figure. He takes way too much credit for crap.
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While we're on this topic, I nominate God as an overrated historical figure. He takes way too much credit for crap.
I know, we're doing most of the work. If he exists, he's a lazy bastard. Six days my arse.
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While we're on this topic, I nominate God as an overrated historical figure. He takes way too much credit for crap.
I second that.
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Well you know, people do talk a lot of shit about that guy up there.
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Well, we all know the Bible HAS to be biased. When do we get to hear Satan's side? Here's a quote from a good friend of mine in another forum.
All Satan was, was a revolutionary, much like Thomas Jefferson, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara, Malcolm X, etc. He saw the oppression and unspeakable acts God committed, and believed he shouldn't be in power. God banished him to hell, and spread propaganda portraying him as "evil", when really, he wasn't. He was a freedom fighter.
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Dare I say it?
George Carlin.
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blasphemer.
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Mother Theresa
And in the field of music:
The Beatles
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
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Clapton is God.
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Barko Bama
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Mother Theresa
And in the field of music:
The Beatles
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
I agree with the field of music comment. There are so many bands that are considered better than all other music just because the music that they have made has been 'influencial' or 'groundbreaking'. The Beatles are a great example of this.
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I don't believe that's up for debate because any sound in the world can be considered music, then there's the fact that everyone has different taste in their own music. I certainly think Barack Obama is overrated, he's running for president and he just happens to be half-black. Although I do think he deserves it considering he really has no political experience compared to McCain or Hillary.
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Lack of experience is a good thing?
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It could be. Just look at Lincoln. 'America' also voted that they would rather have someone that would bring change rather then someone with experience.
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Revolution! It won't be televised this time, either.
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Hmm? What are you on about?
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Mother Theresa
And in the field of music:
The Beatles
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
yeah, i don't know that i consider clapton overrated. you did, however, forget elvis.
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yeah, i don't know that i consider clapton overrated. you did, however, forget elvis.
And Led Zeppelin.
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Elvis is overrated.
Don't say shit about Led.
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And Led Zeppelin.
What!? Not a chance. Overplayed? Definitely. But overrated?
I challenge you to find any band before or since that had any level of mastery even approaching Zep throughout every album. They managed to put out quality even up to their last real studio album (In Through The Out Door), which doesn't have a weak song on it.
Most bands have two, maybe three good albums in their whole careers, and the rest is normally filler... even decent bands fizzle out after a few cycles. But Zeppelin... they just kept churning out great stuff, from beginning to end.
That said, I won't deny that they've been run into the ground in the nearly 40 years since their first album; I'm even a little sick of some of their songs. There's a level of subjectivity to that, of course, but only to a point.
Take the band U2, for example... I dislike most of their music, and I consider them to be annoying and overplayed, but I'll acknowledge their impact musically and culturally, and that's the level that Zeppelin falls into as well. More than just groundbreaking or influential. Never "overrated" though.
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you didn't seriously just put U2 in the same category as led zeppelin, did you?
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you didn't seriously just put U2 in the same category as led zeppelin, did you?
Not technically. Only in illustrating how subjective music is. :-D
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U2 is overrated.
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Bono is a fucking loudmouth schnook.
Agree.
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This guy:
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Another historical figure which I don't think anyone's mentioned yet.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
The incredible damage he and the government and populace that blindly followed him caused will be felt for generations yet to come, and is yet to even be fully grasped.
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Another historical figure which I don't think anyone's mentioned yet.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
The incredible damage he and the government and populace that blindly followed him caused will be felt for generations yet to come, and is yet to even be fully grasped.
I was going to list him but I don't feel I know about him or what he's done enough to say shit about him.
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That's right. I talked shit about FDR.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT, ROOSEVELT!?? HUH?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
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That's right. I talked shit about FDR.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT, ROOSEVELT!?? HUH?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
I was going to mention FDR, but I figured someone had beaten me to it. If someone talks about Reagan as overrated, FDR is not far behind in the discussion.
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<kicks over his wheelchair>
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I can't contribute, because I need a definition of "overrated" and also a definition of "historical figure".
Further, while all cited figures (historical or otherwise) have certainly been overrated by some, they have also been underrated by others. It all depends on what you read and who you hang with. In my little circle, I haven't heard a good thing said about U2 or FDR in years, so I can't rightly say that, in my experience, they are overrated.
Finally, one must be more specific when making such a claim. In what way is Elvis overrated? You can't say he's overrated just because a lot of people like him better than the Beatles.
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By historical figures I meant any one person or any group of people be it something like Peta or something like U2. I'd originally planned to get individuals similar to those listed in the first post, I agree you can't say a figure is overrated without there being some kind of bias to your opinion such as your social circle or going by what you've heard rather then what you think or what you know.
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And ivan has returned.
In accordance with the prophecy.
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ivan!!!
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Wow, I feel like a historical figure.
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Unpossible to be over rated though.
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Wow, I feel like a historical figure.
More like a hysterical fogie.
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A hysterical fogie without peer.
The Elvis of hysterical fogies.
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Have you written any homoerotic A-Team fan fic while you've been gone?
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Why, yes. Yes I have. But unfortunately in a blinding erotic haze I clicked the DELETE button instead of the SAVE button and lost everything. It was titled, "The plan ALWAYS comes together."
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Babies come from Mr. T now?
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I used to order them from Mr. T, but Amazon has better prices and free shipping.
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...and free 2nd day air if you're an Amazon Prime customer!
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And don't forget the 10% off your next purchase 'thank you' coopins from your last order.
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I used to order them from Mr. T, but Amazon has better prices and free shipping.
I get mine from the local meat market.