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Well, it wouldn't be practical unless it had a 100% (and fast) conversion rate. Apart from one or two quotes, Jesus seems like a pretty damn on the ball dude who was many years in advance of his time (probably still in advance of many people today in my opinion), and aside from not believing in his dad I'd say that a lot of what he taught is present in the way I comport myself. Jehovah is a psycho, no buts about it. There are dozens of sites giving quotes (taken out of context yes, but that doesn't really help Him in most cases) that support claims to his barbarism and sadism and I need not regale you with copy/pastes here. The point is, He must have really gotten his act together after He had a son. I mean, let's say that the Old Testament is basically a chronical of His early adventures, his college years if you will. He's tailgating on weekends, blowing up cities, what have you, he's living it the Hell up! But then in the sequel, he's obviously settled down a bit and HOLY SHIT, his son is a HIPPIE!Jesus is everything that Jehovah isn't. He hangs out with bums, hookers and tax collectors in direct conflict with the elders of the day. He promotes non-violence and being nice to everybody. He's a do-unto-others kinda guy, while His Skydaddy has nothing but contempt for all who have a slightly different opinion on things than he does.There should be a thread about Pacifism actually. Crap, I'm SOCing...sorry guys, I forgot where I was going with this...hopefully I already made a point of some sort.
he's obviously settled down a bit and HOLY SHIT, his son is a HIPPIE!
Real Christianity, the way Christ meant it, is not very compatible with everyday life.
.... And it's true what RelandR said: ....
Yeah, maybe Jesus was a hippie, but his followers, like most of the hippies, had enough love&non-violence after a few (hundreds) years, and started joining what was the equivalent of Wall-Street corporations in those days, starting to screw the hookers, drive the hobos out of the neighborhood etc. Hence the organised religion of today.And it's true what Ivan said:This i really can't understand: How can that many people think of themselves as true cristians but have a job where they - let's not take the army, let's try a company that makes money by not paying as many say insurance damages ( or worse medical bills ) as it can get away with - scrue other people (usualy poor and not able to stand up for themselves) for a living. They could easily try another job/ business with less moral problems, but they don't even see a moral problem in that.*fixed, sorry*
Moral of the story is Jesus was a hippy who was hooked on wine and liked the spread the love.
Someone needs to point me to the bible passages that state that abortion is a sin. To my memory (and my memory could very well be flawed), the bible has people being punished to death for a wide variety of infractions. When it comes to abortion, I seem to recall something about "if a man causes a woman to lose the child she carries he shall make a remittance to her spouse of <insert types and quanitites of animals here>". A fine? That's it? You can get stoned to death for cutting your hair, but causing a woman to abort gets you a fine. If I'm not remembering that correctly, by all means, someone let me know.
Yeah, and you'll read this. You'll get all indignant and flame me again. You'll never concider the complete hypocrasy of what you're saying. Oh! Here's a great example for you. How many folks here would( and HAVE!) slammed some one for using words like "nigger" or "fag?" Both words I detest as well! But how many of you slamming me now have constantly used the phrase, "God damn it," without even concidering if there might be a Christian in the area?
Oh! Here's a great example for you. How many folks here would( and HAVE!) slammed some one for using words like "nigger" or "fag?" Both words I detest as well! But how many of you slamming me now have constantly used the phrase, "God damn it," without even concidering if there might be a Christian in the area?
Wow. Some one asks a question and I try to help answer it and get flamed. I like how so many folks just flamed away and never even attempted to think about what I said. YES you can believe in God and believe in Science. Many great scientific achievements of the middle ages came from the Islamic State. I can believe there is a perfectly logical and scientific reason for any miracle in the Bible and still believe it's a miracle. Belief in God does not mean put your head in the sand and ignore logic. I will grant you that there are plenty of Christian(OR OTHER God believers) that do just that, but there are extremist in any pool of people. Yes, I know it was asked of religion in general, but the folks in question are Christian I believe. What does it matter anyway? Christianity is a religion and was just as good of one as any other to answer the question. Most of you aren't even bothering to pretend to be rational about the whole subject, just read and flame away.Yes, Christians can be against abortion and still believe in the death penalty, fight in wars, and do anyone of probably several other things that might take a human life. Some of you guys act like there couldn't be any possible difference. Yes there are always the bad examples in the group, but I like how religion is the only group where it's okay to judge the whole by the actions of a few. If I said that black folks were all lazy and on welfare, I'd be slammed for being racist. If I said that all environmentalists were psychos that blew up buildings and equipment to save some random bird, people would be all over me for being inflamitory. But it's perfectly okay to scream that Muslims will kill us all because Islam is the religion of hate. There's no problem with screaming the inconsistancies of Christianity and how all Christians couldn't possibly believe in God and Science at the same time. You people are absolutely disgusting. You talk and talk about how unaccepting Christians are, and then you pull crap like this. Here before you stands a Christian that beats your neat little sterotype. Homosexuality? I couldn't care less. Don't want to pray? Doesn't bother me any.Yeah, and you'll read this. You'll get all indignant and flame me again. You'll never concider the complete hypocrasy of what you're saying. Oh! Here's a great example for you. How many folks here would( and HAVE!) slammed some one for using words like "nigger" or "fag?" Both words I detest as well! But how many of you slamming me now have constantly used the phrase, "God damn it," without even concidering if there might be a Christian in the area?Thou shalt not kill. - Exodus 20:13I don't remember reading the verse you're talking about. Maybe it's there, but I can't remember ever seeing it. If it IS there, I doubt it's refering to abortion. More likely to working the woman so hard she looses the child or forcing her to travel or something.
Whoa... dude.Edit: OK, I just skimmed the thread again, and I still can't find where anyone flamed you. Who flamed you?
But it's perfectly okay to scream that Muslims will kill us all because Islam is the religion of hate.
Science Damn It!
Also, you dont have to go any further than the Bible to find those glaring contradictions. It is a sin to kill someone; but it's ok to put them to death for, say, adultery.
To ignore the old testament and only using the new testament is like ignoring the left eye and only using your right eye.
I think it was comments like:Also, you dont have to go any further than the Bible to find those glaring contradictions. It is a sin to kill someone; but it's ok to put them to death for, say, adultery. That set me off. Sorry, 12. That may not have been meant to be snide, but it was read that way by a freshly 'wakened mind, so I may have taken it wrong.What I meant to say was that so many people continue to poke fun of and tease the Christian population. I'll try to read it when I get home and rephrase, or after I wake up at least.
Rico is right. To a religious person, it is not a sin to help bring life to the world, and so any such action could be seen as God's will. But it is, however, a sin to end one.
You don't have to go any further than the death penalty debate to see the most glaring contradiction in modern Christianity.However, those contradictions are not part of these people's arguments. They might even be against the death penalty, and may regret the millions of murders committed in the name of the Christian and Muslim gods.
That's why I presented the opportunity for clarification. You did mean Christian, right? There seem to be two different lines of communication going on; some of us are equating "religious" with "Christian", and others (ok; maybe just me) are equating "religious" with "religious".
Rico is right. To a religious person, it is not a sin to help bring life to the world, and so any such action could be seen as God's will. But it is, however, a sin to end one.You don't have to go any further than the death penalty debate to see the most glaring contradiction in modern Christianity.However, those contradictions are not part of these people's arguments.
That's why I presented the opportunity for clarification. You did mean Christian, right? There seem to be two different lines of communication going on; some of us are equating "religious" with "Christian", and others (ok; maybe just me) are equating "religious" with "religious". Also, you dont have to go any further than the Bible to find those glaring contradictions. It is a sin to kill someone; but it's ok to put them to death for, say, adultery.
The OT is great as a historical document.
Great, we've established that there was no flaming! Please proceed with the discussion!
Is it really? I thought a great deal of the facts presented in the OT are currently disputed (though to be fair it was written a LONG time ago, by the victors).
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