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• (January 12, 2023, 01:18:11 AM)

[RelandR]

(Sorry quote buttons don't work on my browser ).

[quote]You can fake it manually by typing or (Copy&Paste) like this here[/quote]

I don't see a conflict in creationism and biology and geology.

Neither do I, if you fix the wording to
" ... and god said, 'let there be a big bang', and god saw it and said ' Oy-Yah-Vay', that's gonna take forever to stop spinning !' " ...

well, that would at least help my re-belief along considerably.

I also don't think th bible tells you to run your life all that much differently than the moral standards most people would live by anyway.

That depends entirely on what part and how much one chooses to follow from it ... which varies so much it makes my head spin. (Anybody remember that 'Dear Dr. Laura' letter from about 6-7 years ago ?) there are some pretty whacky rules & regulations all over in there.

That being said I really don't think most the people who go to church and say they believe in god really follow what the bible says anyway.

Exactly ... But, now I'm confused as to where you're going with that in light of the other stuff you said.

[ivan]

Right on ivan. (Sorry quote buttons don't work on my browser ).

I don't see a conflict in creationism and biology and geology. 

Of course you don't. If you believe in a magical creator, then everything in the world can be explained. It's much more difficult to figure out how things came about without a magical creator.

I also don't think th bible tells you to run your life all that much differently than the moral standards most people would live by anyway.

Have you read the Bible? You know, the one that endorses slavery, subjugation, war, discrimination, &c. And what about all the dietary restrictions? Or Jesus' admonition to forsake your family and follow him alone? How many of the Ten Commandments are not routinely broken? No, most people actually do not live by the Bible's moral standards.

That being said I really don't think most the people who go to church and say they believe in god really follow what the bible says anyway.

So if most people do what the Good Book says because they want to, and not because the Good Book tells them to, then maybe we can do without it. Right?

[ivan]

[quote]You can fake it manually by typing or (Copy&Paste) like this here[/quote]


Exactly ... But, now I'm confused as to where you're going with that in light of the other stuff you said.

That was a challenge for me, too. I couldn't see how his last statement could be reconciled with the one before it. But I finally realized: That post did not evolve from one point to another in a logical or reasonable manner. God created that post whole, and His ways are mysterious.

[ivan]

I wonder what side of that thinking you're on. =P

Ah-hahaha.

I'm not as clever as I thought.

[RelandR]

That post did not evolve from one point to another in a logical or reasonable manner. God created that post whole, and His ways are mysterious.

bigAssHAR 

[Agent_Tachyon]

Right on ivan. (Sorry quote buttons don't work on my browser ).

I don't see a conflict in creationism and biology and geology.  I also don't think th bible tells you to run your life all that much differently than the moral standards most people would live by anyway.  That being said I really don't think most the people who go to church and say they believe in god really follow what the bible says anyway.

Do you know ANYTHING about creationism at all? It's at complete odds with geology and biology at just about every level. The Bible actually does tell you to do things quite a bit differently than most people, taken as a whole (so I'm not just going by 10 commandments here, but all the fun Old Testament bits about stoning as well). I do agree with your last statement, and thank the (possibly) non-existant god for that.

[RelandR]

This is (at least to me) a classic one of 'those things' that got passed around a fair time ago ... thought it was worth a re-print here for those that maybe missed it or forgot it. A number of variants existed but they all had the same spirit, this is the one I kept ....
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Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to
people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's
funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need
some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours.
They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyesterblend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to
all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
-Lev.24:10-16
 Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

Jack

- actual author unknown

[xolik]

I don't think somebody who has naked pictures of herself floating around on the internet is in any position preach about morality.

[Agent_Tachyon]

I'd be very interested to see what a society that actually enforced all the biblical laws would look like.

[ivan]

...or someone who's been divorced more than once, has "shacked up", and has willfully conceived out of wedlock.

But she has that all covered.

A hypocrite says, 'Do what I say, not what I do,' rather than, 'Do what I say, not what I did'.

Yes, she's a big fat phony. However, I admire her ability to maintain a following and make a splendid living at it.

[BDC256]

That depends entirely on what part and how much one chooses to follow from it ... which varies so much it makes my head spin. (Anybody remember that 'Dear Dr. Laura' letter from about 6-7 years ago ?) there are some pretty wacky rules & regulations all over in there.

I think most those laws were more for the people of those times than ours.  Really didn't read the old testament to much mostly just the new one.

Exactly ... But, now I'm confused as to where you're going with that in light of the other stuff you said.

The two parts of my post came from two different lines of thought.  My thinking on different parts of a subject are often contradictory. 

The first part about people living close to what the bible says was wrong, I meant it more as following the general spirit of the bible.  Witch to me is basically follow the 10 commandment, love one another, love thy enemy, and generally try to help each other out.  I am not sure however after thinking about it that people actauly act that way.

[Agent_Tachyon]

So essentially you just picked the bits that sounded like you already and ignored the rest?

[xolik]

...or someone who's been divorced more than once, has "shacked up", and has willfully conceived out of wedlock.

But she has that all covered.

Yes, she's a big fat phony. However, I admire her ability to maintain a following and make a splendid living at it.

See, this is why I hardly ever try to give people moral advice. I've got the morals of an alleycat. 

[12AX7]

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