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Main Forums => Political Opinions => Topic started by: boomvoom on June 24, 2008, 11:33:17 AM
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hey guys my brother just sent me this. i found it freakishly intriguing.
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This is what the Illuminati do to childen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT1Ze-6UNrc
This is in French but hasn't been deleted due to it being in French, however Youtube deleted these videos off the french site. Children are explaining to investigators how they were abused/ritualised by high-ranking members of society etc...
Boy 'skinned and eaten' by his cannibal cult family | Mail Online
Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1027962/Boy-skinned-eaten-cannibal-cult-family-held-captive-cellar.html
An eight-year-old boy was skinned and his flesh fed to cannibal relatives after his mum kept him locked in a cellar, a court has heard.
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these types of articles are just the tip of the iceberg. the subject is far more important than anybody dares to think. i know for a fact that there are cases dismissed simply because the people involved are too high in rank. we're talking about heads of state, royalty.
have you ever noticed how almost every head of state and most politicians are members of free masonry? this is horrendous, these people are granted a degree of privilege which can't be competed with. how can anybody fight a power that, most people are oblivious or, simply deny it's very existence.
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FW:FW:FW:RE:RE:FW:FW:
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Torcher? TORCHER? ARE YOU FREAKIN' SERIOUS? TORCHER?
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The Masons are just a "Good ol' boy" system. I despised them while I was in the Army. You get piece of shit solders getting promoted over good ones because they have the backing of a fucking ring and hand shake. Also the protection they get within the system from actions that should get them in trouble. A fucking slap on the wrist for something that should have gotten an Article 31.
No the masons are not some evil organization bent on world domination. They are just piece of shit fuckers. Fuckers that can suck my ass and die in a fucking fire.
Fuck Masons.
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I miss JSpaceMan
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Gis for torcher:
(http://www.rguunion.co.uk/images/TorcherP11_000.JPG)
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Well they are kind flaming...
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No the masons are not some evil organization bent on world domination. They are just piece of shit fuckers. Fuckers that can suck my ass and die in a fucking fire.
Fuck Masons.
i think they already dominate the world....
i can totally agree with the sucking ass part... then again...
they'd probably be into that.
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i think they already dominate the world....
i can totally agree with the sucking ass part... then again...
they'd probably be into that.
Powerful? Yes. They carry a lot of influence and swaying power, especially in the superstitious United States. But I think the truly illuminated see right threw their fucking bullshit, and if individuals stopped being scared of them, and started standing up against the "secret society," we could slap the shit eaters in their cocky little face.
No, I'm not jaded.
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Powerful? Yes. They carry a lot of influence and swaying power, especially in the superstitious United States. But I think the truly illuminated see right threw their fucking bullshit, and if individuals stopped being scared of them, and started standing up against the "secret society," we could slap the shit eaters in their cocky little face.
No, I'm not jaded.
i agree with you.
but i don't think it's so much a fear thing. i think it has more to do with the "what can little old me do?" syndrome that seems to sweep over the jeneral public. nobody thinks they can really do anything.
i mean in all the revolutionary speech i've heard on the subject, i've never really heard anybody bring actual solutions to light.
manifestations? public speeches? these things just seem to push us further into being characterized as madmen. mad men can't sway anybody...
apart from hitler...
... maybe we're just not mad enough?...
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I miss JSpaceMan
who's JSpaceMan?
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*sighs quietly
I shouldn't get involved in this conversation, because I'll only be smote or flamed, but... what makes a cult doing it anymore grotesque than when it's done by just the parents? Why is it important to point that "The Occult" was doing it? And further more - please define what you mean when you say "cult" or "The Occult", are we talking cults in general, because last I checked, the Masons were not a cult. Also, does my coven count? Because I want to be absolutely certain what we're talking about and why it's so much more horrible than when it happens to other children.
Those poor cult children.
Yes, I've had a shitty week.
You may now smite me.
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Yeeeeeaaahhhh, torcher motherfuckhur wut
I'll fuckhin
I'll fuckhin tei u to a bhedpoust with ur ass cheaks spred owt an shyt
write?
put a hangarr on a fuckhin stoveh and let thet shyt sit thar
fer like haff an hour
take it hoff and stik it in ur ass sloaw like
TSSSSS
</badly spelled Wu-Tang>
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*sighs quietly
I shouldn't get involved in this conversation, because I'll only be smote or flamed, but... what makes a cult doing it anymore grotesque than when it's done by just the parents? Why is it important to point that "The Occult" was doing it? And further more - please define what you mean when you say "cult" or "The Occult", are we talking cults in general, because last I checked, the Masons were not a cult. Also, does my coven count? Because I want to be absolutely certain what we're talking about and why it's so much more horrible than when it happens to other children.
Those poor cult children.
Yes, I've had a shitty week.
You may now smite me.
Cults and "the Occult" are hardly even related.
A cult is a group of people who gather to share the veneration of a person, idea, set of ideas, various mammals, airborne pasta entities, exploded volcanoes, etc. and often express this reverence through religious practices. I certainly think the Masons can be considered a cult, though that's not the best term for their organization.
"The Occult" is an umbrella term used to define a series of subject outside the realm of ordinary knowledge; often these subjects involve magic or other supernatural phenomena.
Your coven probably constitutes both, but could also be independent of either, depending on exactly what it is you guys do. Which I don't want to know about.
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*sighs quietly
I shouldn't get involved in this conversation, because I'll only be smote or flamed, but... what makes a cult doing it anymore grotesque than when it's done by just the parents? Why is it important to point that "The Occult" was doing it? And further more - please define what you mean when you say "cult" or "The Occult", are we talking cults in general, because last I checked, the Masons were not a cult. Also, does my coven count? Because I want to be absolutely certain what we're talking about and why it's so much more horrible than when it happens to other children.
Those poor cult children.
Yes, I've had a shitty week.
You may now smite me.
not gonna smote you!?
i totally understand your question. first off the free masons are not a cult, but it doesn't stop them from preforming rituals. (that's a bit of an oxymoron...)
they have initiation rites and all sorts of other things... if you look up bohemian grove you can get acquainted with some. now the religious group group associated with the second story denies any association with the man the women were supposedly taking orders from. what's appalling about that story is that it was the very mother that put the children through that. one is no worse than the other. any form of torture (finally found the spelling! hooray!) on children especially, is probably as bad as, or worse than, murder. the child's life will never be what it would have been had it not happened. girls lose the ability to reproduce before they have a chance, it fucks up peoples minds, etc...
but what stood out more for me is the first video clip where a french girl describes herself being tortured and others being tortured and decapitated, killed. the clip doesn't say that it was a mesonic group in so many words. the girl draws her torturers and you can clearly see her drawing a symbol on the front of a robe that looks too mesonic to deny. (at least in my opinion... and the opinion of the guy who posted it...)
i've been living in belgium for the passed 19 years. there have been many pedophilia scandals that occurred. but oddly enough the accused don't get proper sentence. they are protected because their lists of people they supply go to very high places. there have even been cases that have been dismissed (in secret) because the defendant is too high up and probably finds some method of compensation...
all that said i don't have anything against the occult (i practice some myself). just against occult practices that involve the killing or torturing of people or animals.
yet i'm always against cults. but that's just the way i am. (how many people have killed or been killed in the name of a cult?)
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give me a break on the "torcher" guys... i'm dyslexic. i tried and tried to figure it out on the first post but it wouldn't come. it wasn't until i started thinking in french that i found the spelling. :-D
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If you think that's crazy, check this out. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking)
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(finally found the spelling! hooray!)
Excellent! Now if you could just find the shift key you'd be all set.
Hint: There's more than one to be found...
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As an afterthought: that Youtube video was titled something or other about children and "occult organization."
Well, no.
It really bothers me when people give the occult a bad name because they can't distinguish between a genre and a posse. It's like using the words "fart" and "anatomy" interchangeably.
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I anatomy in your general direction!
Did you know that NASA faked the moon landing, too?
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I anatomy in your general direction!
Did you know that NASA faked the moon landing, too?
Damn, I'm glad that someone else noticed the tinfoil hattiness of this Masons-secretly-running-the-world business.
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Did you know that NASA faked the moon landing, too?
They only faked the photos.
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On a similar note, NASCAR is letting Kyle Busch win. In reality, he's a no talent asshat.
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No. Really. That one is true.
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What is it about that sound . . . bush busch...
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On a similar note, NASCAR is letting Kyle Busch win. In reality, he's a no talent asshat.
I buy THAT!
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... the clip doesn't say that it was a mesonic group in so many words. the girl draws her torturers and you can clearly see her drawing a symbol on the front of a robe that looks too mesonic to deny. (at least in my opinion... and the opinion of the guy who posted it...)...
Be very careful when assigning symbols to groups. Those of us who practice older religions will be happy to point out that those symbols in use today in use by a certain selection, such as the Chalice and Blade symbols so well known as "Masonic", may have nothing to do with said group.
If a group of North Ireland Wiccans drew a symbol you know as a "Celtic Cross" (we know as the Four Points of Earth) on your door, would you assume the Protestants did it? I assure you, that symbol does NOT belong to the Christian Church. Then I could rant for hours on how the Goat Head Star (Otherwise known as a Pentagram, or a Reverse Pentacle) hasn't got shit to do with a modern belief known as "Satanism".
Just because you saw something that look like something similiar you saw somewhere else, doesn't give you the right to point your finger in their face. So far, the Brotherhood of the Masons have done nothing to prove that they are nothing more than a society... which by the way, also carries out rituals and rites.
On a similar note, NASCAR is letting Kyle Busch win. In reality, he's a no talent asshat.
I have no opinion. I've lost track of NASCAR.
Now... if you'll excuse me, I've misplaced my chicken bones.
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Excellent! Now if you could just find the shift key you'd be all set.
Hint: There's more than one to be found...
:-P
;-)
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As an afterthought: that Youtube video was titled something or other about children and "occult organization."
Well, no.
It really bothers me when people give the occult a bad name because they can't distinguish between a genre and a posse. It's like using the words "fart" and "anatomy" interchangeably.
there's more than one way to define occult. if you see the 3rd definition here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/occult
it seems to be accurate enough.
although it is sad hat because of that definition, the others suffer.
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So, it still hasn't been addressed as to why this is so much more horrible than when non-religious fuck-nuts do it. Is it okay when aethist's do it or something? Because this shit happens all over the world to all sorts of people and it's not always some skull-fucking religious wack-job that does it. It's just the same dumb-ass self-serving isanity as yesterday. This isn't new, Catholics have been doing it for centuries.
Just explain to me why you felt this was so much more important than all the other non-religious torture of children going on all over the rest of this shiny new fucked up world.
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So, it still hasn't been addressed as to why this is so much more horrible than when non-religious fuck-nuts do it. Is it okay when aethist's do it or something? Because this shit happens all over the world to all sorts of people and it's not always some skull-fucking religious wack-job that does it. It's just the same dumb-ass self-serving isanity as yesterday. This isn't new, Catholics have been doing it for centuries.
Just explain to me why you felt this was so much more important than all the other non-religious torture of children going on all over the rest of this shiny new fucked up world.
it's not more horrible. it's just as horrible. what's wrong here isn't that. normal people who commit these crimes (if you can call them normal) get proper sentence.
the trouble is that those in these organizations get away with it scot free.
as for what you mentioned about the symbolism:
http://a821.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/83/l_64bc9a25badaa217850365e4168a67bc.png
http://a606.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/91/l_9b7ebec8c9c040f0ec6500b99c0bd365.png
http://a89.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/87/l_3b46e6c614e3b06423c565e2e9c09d28.png
examples of masonic symbols:
http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/General/other_files/masonic_cyphers_and_symbols/fam-code-1.gif
the girl mentions that they were dressed in red and white:
http://yorkrite.com/chapter/
this one's also quite similar:
http://yorkrite.com/council/
i know all too well that symbolism goes far back into history, and that original meanings have nothing to do with what they have come to mean. a great example is the swastika it was an ancient symbol for the sun. but the truth is that hitler decided to use that symbol to represent his party. we have to accept that the symbol has taken on new meaning and that today it also represents hitlers party and beliefs.
do you seriously think that if a jewish family finds a red swastika painted on their front door, that we should start by looking for asian sun worshipers in the aria, before pursuing Neo-Nazis in the aria?
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I was just wondering... maybe you could start a thread wherein you describe what you won't believe. I bet it's a lot shorter.
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I was just wondering... maybe you could start a thread wherein you describe what you won't believe. I bet it's a lot shorter.
that's funny, because I was just wondering... maybe you could give an opinion, instead of making smug and condescending remarks. i bet your comments would seem less like a waste of web space.
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Whoa there, new one. You are out of line and you are quickly alienating people.
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i bet your comments would seem less like a waste of web space.
*phone ringing* Hi, Kettle! It's Pot! You're black! *click*
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Whoa there, new one. You are out of line and you are quickly alienating people.
eh, he deserves it. he's not said one productive thing in the whole thread.
but i don't see why i would be alienating anybody. i'm just discussing here. i'm interested in what others have to say. i can also accept that people can go off topic. it's a free country, it's a free forum (opinion wise). i research my answers, and i give my opinion from what i find.
but if somebody comes out of the blue and tells me to "take a hike" (which you can clearly see, that's what he meant.)
"I was just wondering... maybe you could start a thread wherein you describe what you won't believe."
ie: you believe everything (you gullible idiot)
"I bet it's a lot shorter."
ie: wright less, or better yet don't wright at all (get lost).
THEN, i take issue.
some nice capitals there, i hope you enjoyed them!
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Once you've been here for a while, you'll notice that's how most of Joe's posts go. He's deliberately baiting you and you fell for it. *shrugs* Live and learn.
So far, the Brotherhood of the Masons have done nothing to prove that they are nothing more than a society... which by the way, also carries out rituals and rites.
Same applies to the Boy Scouts. I don't see lynch mobs going after them.
And really, it's not the being a member of one of these societies is what's getting people off the hook. You don't have to look for any more sinister a reason than money. And having lots of it.
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Dear boomvoom,
Stay away from me. I am your worst nightmare. I am a member of a secret society bent on world domination and child torture. Also, I eat babies.
Also, you are gullible.
examples of masonic symbols:
http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/General/other_files/masonic_cyphers_and_symbols/fam-code-1.gif
I lolled. It looks like you found the Rosetta Stone of pagan symbols. Good for you.
the girl mentions that they were dressed in red and white:
OMFG! Red and white! It was the Klan! OMG, the Klan did this people! White Power!
i know all too well that symbolism goes far back into history, and that original meanings have nothing to do with what they have come to mean. a great example is the swastika it was an ancient symbol for the sun. but the truth is that hitler decided to use that symbol to represent his party. we have to accept that the symbol has taken on new meaning and that today it also represents hitlers party and beliefs.
do you seriously think that if a jewish family finds a red swastika painted on their front door, that we should start by looking for asian sun worshipers in the aria, before pursuing Neo-Nazis in the aria?
If I come over to your house and tattoo the eye of Rha on your ass will please move to Egypt and sacrfice yourself to the desert? The Asian sect were pacifists and it was a yellow swastika (maybe red in the later eras). Neo-Nazi would be black swastika and they wouldn't painting it on your door. They'd be painting it on your body. And FYI, it's area (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/area), not aria (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aria).
Joe made a legitimate observation based on his understanding of your posts. I, for one, think he is right. And not only are you gullible, but you're also a bigot. And yes, you've officially pissed me off, so I'm gonna stop posting for a while until I cool off.
... they are nothing more than a society... which by the way, also carries out rituals and rites.
Same applies to the Boy Scouts. I don't see lynch mobs going after them.
If you did, I'd bet the Masons would be to blame.
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i seriously don't see why you're getting your Knickers in a twist! :w:
i said examples. that was taken from a sight on masonic ciphers and symbols. i never thought i found the rosetta stone of anything. these are commonly known things. they were there simply to illustrate my point.
what's with your clan? i was just surprised that with out any effort i came across a symbol that is practically identical to the one described in the footage.
seriously CHILL OUT! i'm not even going to dignify your insults because you're OVER REACTING.
i don't dislike you. in fact i admire your passion, and have found what you've had to say (before this) very interesting.
i don't see why you're so angry with me.
we've been here, throwing an idea back and forth, and now...
now...
you're just spuing up insults.
no argument...
well, if you decide to stop posting, that's fine i guess.
lets just let the thread disappear into the background shall we? i think it's best.
it's just a pity cause i was interested in the subject, but i think it's probably for the better.
mustn't upset kline Wunderkind.
nor Joe for that matter.
lets let bygones be bygones. just let the thread slip back. I DON'T WANT TO UPSET ANYONE ANY FURTHER!
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And really, it's not the being a member of one of these societies is what's getting people off the hook. You don't have to look for any more sinister a reason than money. And having lots of it.
that's a very good point. still money can only do so much.
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I lolled. It looks like you found the Rosetta Stone of pagan symbols. Good for you.
I don't know what those symbols are, but I have never seen any of them before, and I'm a practicing and well-researched Pagan; I'm relatively sure they are not Pagan symbols. You'd do well not to call other people bigots while you identify any symbol that looks like it might possibly kinda be a rune or a tree as being "Pagan."
And I'm sorry boomvoom, but you are pretty gullible. You must understand that gullibility frustrates people.
that's a very good point. still money can only do so much.
If you have enough money you can do just about anything (within the realm of rational possibility; no resurrecting Aunt Shirley or morphing into a platypus).
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And I'm sorry boomvoom, but you are pretty gullible. You must understand that gullibility frustrates people.
what exactly am i gullible about? and what is it that YOU think i should be believing.
If you have enough money you can do just about anything (within the realm of rational possibility; no resurrecting Aunt Shirley or morphing into a platypus).
this is absolutely true. Michael Jackson managed to get out of his sticky predicaments this way.
STILL,
what is the first thing that comes into anybodies head when they hear the name of Michael Jackson?
that image, and those trials, will be there until long after he's gone. parents will keep their children away from him. he will always be looked at with doubt and disdain by the masses.
on the other hand there are those who manage to stay cleanly out of the media. some one is payed off in time. someone goes unpunished. and a mutilated 13 year old girl is told to accept.
i don't think there's anything to do here about gulliblety. it's just that i have witnessed different news casts in different countries than others here probably have. and the fact is that trials had people who remained nameless because of who they were, and who els could be implicated. the courts became a circus, jumping from one judge to another...
we have different perspectives, and i was interested in hearing others.
but i guess it's no use for me to try to hold a discussion with people who hold so little regard for my own.
and the iPod plays on, while more wonder-bread sandwiches are made, and all is well...
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I also get sad when people don't automatically agree with my stupid crap.
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I resent the insinuations that any comment I made in this thread was pointless, useless, or the slightest bit trollish in any way. Each one had a specific point, and if you don't have the intellect or the attention span to grok it, that says more about you than it says about me.
In closing, reading your "wrighting" is pure "TORCHER", and the very idea that you even know the meaning of the word "research" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my entire life, and I've been to church with Southern Baptists.
Good day!
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*dons tophat, turns on bootheel and swings cape around, clicking diamond tipped staff on the ground as he exits*
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that's funny, because I was just wondering... maybe you could give an opinion, instead of making smug and condescending remarks. i bet your comments would seem less like a waste of web space.
(http://www.guildhaven.org/images/smilies/rotf.gif)
Bwahahahaha!
I like this guy.
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I resent the insinuations that any comment I made in this thread was pointless, useless, or the slightest bit trollish in any way. Each one had a specific point, and if you don't have the intellect or the attention span to grok it, that says more about you than it says about me.
In closing, reading your "wrighting" is pure "TORCHER", and the very idea that you even know the meaning of the word "research" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my entire life, and I've been to church with Southern Baptists.
Good day!
Oh! I'm SO OFFENDED Joe! Seriously, you've taken a knife and shoved it into my heart!
Especially with you're sharp "TORCHER" retort!!!
Despite the fact that your "Good day!" did give your post a huffy Smurfet vibe,
I'm appalled and deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply offended, on the most personal of personal levels!
:-D
Disinterest for what you think of me consumes me to the point of defecation.
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I thought he was doing Paul Harvey.
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...mustn't upset kline Wunderkind.
If this was supposed to be some warped dig at my nationality it was a failure.
...i don't think there's anything to do here about gulliblety. it's just that i have witnessed different news casts in different countries than others here probably have. and the fact is that trials had people who remained nameless because of who they were, and who els could be implicated...
You just keep jumping from to same conclusion over and over like that damn ewe over that damn spot where that stick was and isn't there anymore. Just over and over. You've rushed in, with no proof, accussed a group of which you have very little understanding, and still you refuse to present a logical case for why you feel the way you do. You've been led by the nose into some deep water so I suggest you learn to swim. If you're going to come here and blatantly accuse the Brotherhood of Free Masons of anything you better have something other than speculation and supposition to go on, because so far your speculation has been found wanting.
Just as in the court cases and trials you speak of, you have no hard evidence, to make matters worse, you don't even have a logical method of deductive reasoning and yet, you still believe what the media has spoon fed you through the poison of your choice. That makes this very much a matter of gullibility.
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If this was supposed to be some warped dig at my nationality it was a failure.
Wunderkind is german for wonder child. i was only being endearing. seeing as you hate me so much you can interpret it how ever you like.
You just keep jumping from to same conclusion over and over like that damn ewe over that damn spot where that stick was and isn't there anymore. Just over and over. You've rushed in, with no proof, accussed a group of which you have very little understanding, and still you refuse to present a logical case for why you feel the way you do. You've been led by the nose into some deep water so I suggest you learn to swim. If you're going to come here and blatantly accuse the Brotherhood of Free Masons of anything you better have something other than speculation and supposition to go on, because so far your speculation has been found wanting.
Just as in the court cases and trials you speak of, you have no hard evidence, to make matters worse, you don't even have a logical method of deductive reasoning and yet, you still believe what the media has spoon fed you through the poison of your choice. That makes this very much a matter of gullibility.
i could decide to make a condescending remark here about your gramer but i'm above that. I know all too well about the difficulties that can arise in trying to express one's self through writing. unlike others i could mention.
i'm sorry i don't have any physical proof for you. i missed the last masonic jumble sail in Paris and hence, i have not managed to obtain a severed head for you.
free masons them selves may not be completely to blame. in fact the vast majority of masons fall into the first 3 degrees of masonry. the degrees that deal mainly with cocktails and simple social gatherings. but there are more degrees. and just because someone becomes a freemason, doesn't mean that they are privvi to all the information and actions of all the lodge and all it's degrees.
why am i opposed to masonry?
i'm opposed to anything that restricts or CAN restrict my freedom and the freedom of others.
just because someone comes out of a trailer park doesn't mean that they can not poses a great mind. a mind for strategy, or business, or art. nor is someone born with a silver spoon necessarily more intelligent and gifted than any one els.
why should someone with a ring and a handshake be allowed to excel, while leaving others more apt, trailing behind.
all that said, the masons only have a small role in all this.
you and some of your pals bore me to distraction.
rather than providing arguments to do with the subject, you seem to prefer belittling your selves, in resorting to petty insults.
these are actions usually taken by people who feel they are in a losing battle. there's just one thing: THERE'S NO BATTEL!
WE'RE JUST TALKING!
just as i have no actual physical proof, YOU have no way of disproving anything that's been mentioned.
i may not have physical proof. but what i do have is discussions, and articles. LOTS OF THEM.
laugh if you like, read them, or don't. frankly, i don't give a rats ass.
here are just some:
oops, it seems this forum doesn't care for ex-members who have such an extensive list of links to child-pr0n sites
it's no severed head, but well...
what was hoped to be an interesting debate, became a 7 year olds school yard.
i'm just not interested any more.
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You're not interested because someone didn't automatically agree with you? Or is it because you've been challenged with your assertions, and interpret that as some sort of personal attack? That you'd been asked to provide proof of your statements; but, as you said yourself, you have none? If these sort of things get your panties in a wad, I would strongly suggest you skip the Political Forum altogether. You are not interacting with less than extremely highly intelligent people here, who are not swayed in the slightest by speculation, rumors, and heresay. Even if it comes in the flavor of a link. People who will most certainly debate, discuss, and debunk any assertions that can't hold up on their own. Do not make the mistake of thinking you can post whatever and everyone will waste their time typing out "me too" and agreeing or supporting whatever stance you're displaying; or will "be nice" about how they disagree, or what they think of your argument or position.
If it is the case that dissent offends you, again; don't post in here.
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You're not interested because someone didn't automatically agree with you? Or is it because you've been challenged with your assertions, and interpret that as some sort of personal attack?
it's not fair that you say that. i invite debate and wait with eager anticipation for some one to provide an argument that will change my stance. i'm not tied to dogma of any kind be it religious or scientific. i'm wide open. look back through the thread and tell me any place where somebody came an gave a legitimate argument. i'd like for you to point out an argument where someone els has provided any "proof", which we all hold in such high esteem, here.
You are not interacting with less than extremely highly intelligent people here, who are not swayed in the slightest by speculation, rumors, and heresay. Even if it comes in the flavor of a link. People who will most certainly debate, discuss, and debunk any assertions that can't hold up on their own.
i wish i could see it. but there's non. i wait for it, but there's non.
i posted the thread, right?
first off, 2/3 of the people go off on making fun of the new guy.
some answer.
i answer.
some answer again.
i answer again.
then i just get insults.
sure once in a while somebody makes one point or another, but that's it.
You're not interested because someone didn't automatically agree with you?
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Do not make the mistake of thinking you can post whatever and everyone will waste their time typing out "me too" and agreeing or supporting whatever stance you're displaying; or will "be nice" about how they disagree, or what they think of your argument or position.
If it is the case that dissent offends you, again; don't post in here.
i'm sorry but i am NOT the one who's getting upset because people DON'T agree with me. as i said, i encourage them to come forth and give me legitimate reasons to change my stance.
but the only reason anybody gives me...
NOBODY has given any reason.
read the thread, and you'll see that i'm right. you may not agree with what i have to say IN the thread, but speaking purely from the perspective of debate you'll see that what i've said HERE in THIS POST is true.
you are the second person to say that i get insulted because people don't agree with me. it's not true.
i received many insults, but NON of them involved being insulted by disagreement.
as humans we have to disagree. nothing would change or evolve if we agreed with everything. i'm never against people opposed to what i say. but i will debate with them. and i enjoy it.
so i ask YOU, 12AX7 to please go back and have a second and HONEST look at the thread.
if you can honestly say that what i've said here, in THIS POSTE, is untrue about the occurrences that have taken place in the thread. that in fact i'm some sort of spoiled brat that doesn't accept opposition.
then i will most humbly retire into the background.
i'm not looking for sympathy! please look back and be as harsh as you like.
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I'm sorry. I've tried. I just can't do it.
There are some who would argue that you're our future and that this is just the way things will be. It's evolving, after all. It always has been. It always will be. It's clearly different today than it was many many years ago. However, while I'm on guard, I will not allow you to butcher her the way you do.
Please allow me to refer you to a link that I find as entertaining and enlightening as you find these conspiracies to be.
http://www.geekforum.org/index.php/topic,3080.msg48914.html#msg48914
I am a moderator here, so even if there were an ignore function build into this forum, I would be unable to use it. I'm required to read your posts. I have but one way to eliminate the requirement of reading your posts.
(http://www.bizb.biz/images/fun/banbutton.jpg)
If you cannot stop my eyes from bleeding every time I see you butcher the English language, I will do it for you.
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It's not just new people who get made fun of. You could have a thousand posts and if you come in here posting about how the Bushes and the British Royals are reptilian aliens who devour the flesh of human babies, or Hitler escaped to Antarctica where he built his army of Nazi UFOs, and then have the gall to say "prove me wrong", of course people will think you're an idiot and not take you seriously, because you've just shown that you're an idiot and not to be taken seriously.
Carl Sagan once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I don't think that's necessarily true. They require the same evidence as anything else, and nothing you have said here approaches anything beyond speculation. That's not evidence, proof, or a reason at all to form a belief to belief to have to disprove in the first place (read it again).
And there's a spell check button. If you won't use it for me, or the rest of the forum, think of posterity.
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It's not just new people who get made fun of. You could have a thousand posts and if you come in here posting about how the Bushes and the British Royals are reptilian aliens who devour the flesh of human babies, or Hitler escaped to Antarctica where he built his army of Nazi UFOs, and then have the gall to say "prove me wrong", of course people will think you're an idiot and not take you seriously, because you've just shown that you're an idiot and not to be taken seriously.
Carl Sagan once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I don't think that's necessarily true. They require the same evidence as anything else, and nothing you have said here approaches anything beyond speculation. That's not evidence, proof, or a reason at all to form a belief to belief to have to disprove in the first place (read it again).
And there's a spell check button. If you won't use it for me, or the rest of the forum, think of posterity.
That.
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holy fucking shit that's a lot of links
I'm sorry, but people who believe in a secretive society that runs everything just seem a little 'off' to me. I've heard a lot of crazy theories bouncing around out there (my favourite ones are the ones saying us homos have some super secret agenda to destroy the world) but I haven't really seen any compelling evidence to back any of them up.
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holy fucking shit that's a lot of links
I'm sorry, but people who believe in a secretive society that runs everything just seem a little 'off' to me. I've heard a lot of crazy theories bouncing around out there (my favourite ones are the ones saying us homos have some super secret agenda to destroy the world) but I haven't really seen any compelling evidence to back any of them up.
You mean you're not trying to destroy the world? All these wasted years spent thinking you were!
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So is the part about trying to corrupt little boys true?
*And even if you answer no, I still know it's true. Cause I heard it somewhere.
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Hey, I've we've got some super secret homopower or something, I didn't get the memo. :x
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Sure you didn't. I'm gonna believe that. :roll:
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For the sake of BizB, this post will have undergone three different spellcheckers.
STILL:
WARNING DESPITE MY GREAT EFFORTS, THERE MAY STILL BE MISTAKES IN THIS POST!
IF ENCOUNTERING A SINGLE MISSPELLED WORD OFFENDS YOU, DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT CONTINUE READING!
(Unless of course, you are BizB to whom part of this post is addressed. In your case all I can do is apologize for the offense, the "possible" mistakes may cause. Worry not for your eyes shan't be offended by the butchery of the English language after this post. At least not by me.)
This will be my last post, on this, or any other matter here.
I will begin by addressing Joe Sixpack:
It's not just new people who get made fun of. You could have a thousand posts and if you come in here posting about how the Bushes and the British Royals are reptilian aliens who devour the flesh of human babies, or Hitler escaped to Antarctica where he built his army of Nazi UFOs, and then have the gall to say "prove me wrong", of course people will think you're an idiot and not take you seriously, because you've just shown that you're an idiot and not to be taken seriously.
Carl Sagan once said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I don't think that's necessarily true. They require the same evidence as anything else, and nothing you have said here approaches anything beyond speculation. That's not evidence, proof, or a reason at all to form a belief to belief to have to disprove in the first place (read it again).
Thank you Joe. Seriously thank you (without irony!) I appreciate this post very much. It's absolutely true (with a slight twang of opinion) but you have said nothing false in it.
That said, the attitude it describes may be common practice, but this doesn't make it right.
It is said that one must learn history, or be doomed to relive it.
On December 25 1991 the iron curtain fell, and Russia was no longer the Soviet Union. On this year Russian high school and university exams were stopped. The Soviet Union had decided, during it's reign, to put soviet Russia in a more favorable light when it came to social sciences, current affairs, discoveries, and history. According to them, Russia had discovered the potato, Russia had invented the light bulb, Russia had invented the telephone. There were even numerous scientific theories that were simply invented out of thin air to be different from the west. Scientists were supposed to work with these theories. Clearly, experiments that involved these theories were utter failures.
You can look it up.
I have found in western society that individual countries tend to do this sort of thing, be it intentional or not. Details are left out of information which can lead to people believing things which are not true. A very common example for this is:
If you've been brought up in the united states and you are asked who invented the light bulb, you are almost certain to answer Thomas Edison. But it's not true.
http://thehistoryof.net/the-history-of-the-light-bulb.html
I've see people go into mad fits, appalled that any one could question something which is such common knowledge. "how dare you question something I hold to be so true!" (correction) "...that Is true without doubt!"
We must always question our reality and surroundings. Things are constantly being proved and disproved. Just because we think something is mad doesn't automatically prove that it's false. It was mad to think that people could walk on the moon. It was mad to think that cinema could have both image and sound. It was mad to think that the earth is round. Yet some how all these things that were considered to be mad came to be true. Perhaps we do not need to believe in things we think to be mad. But maybe we should observe them and discus what it is that makes us believe that their mad. And perhaps we can also try to see and understand why someone could believe such things are true. After all, it is the things that were once considered to be mad that dominate our everyday lives today, and the things that were once so true that are mow false.
On to BizB:
I'm sorry. I've tried. I just can't do it.
There are some who would argue that you're our future and that this is just the way things will be. It's evolving, after all. It always has been. It always will be. It's clearly different today than it was many many years ago. However, while I'm on guard, I will not allow you to butcher her the way you do.
Please allow me to refer you to a link that I find as entertaining and enlightening as you find these conspiracies to be.
http://www.geekforum.org/index.php/topic,3080.msg48914.html#msg48914
I am a moderator here, so even if there were an ignore function build into this forum, I would be unable to use it. I'm required to read your posts. I have but one way to eliminate the requirement of reading your posts.
(http://www.bizb.biz/images/fun/banbutton.jpg)
If you cannot stop my eyes from bleeding every time I see you butcher the English language, I will do it for you.
You may not realize exactly what you are saying. So I will tell you. I will also explain to you why it is so profoundly wrong for you as a moderator to say it, and why it can be seen to be so offensive.
Before I continue I have to say I was left uncertain in what regards an integral part of your post.
However, while I'm on guard, I will not allow you to butcher her the way you do.
Perhaps it was due to a spelling error (one that slipped passed the spellchecker?), or else you decided to take artistic license and personify the English language as a woman. To be honest I do not think that would work here. It's a little too unexpected. I actually began by thinking that you were referring to me butchering somebody in the forum. Still I deduced from the bulk of your text that what you are most troubled by is language. MY written language in particular.
The last I looked, the internet and this forum in it, are not a grade school. The internet is a place for ideas to run free. (at least up until, and for now.)
Ideas are funny things. They differ from the words we see on our screens and the words we read on paper. Often many of us are forced to ask ourselves:
"What's the word for that?" or "Is there a word for that?" This is because the thought had difficulty associating with the spoken word. (not even starting to imagine the written) word. Thoughts come from a different place that has nothing to do with language. To the point that we manage to produce thoughts and emotions that do not even have a name in any language, let alone English. I can say that "I cannot find any words to describe what exactly it is that I am feeling for you at this moment BizB." and no one will ever be able to know what exactly is going on in my mind.
With that out of the way, I am sure that you cannot deny that the realm of thought and expression should be open to all the world. Not just English speakers. And it is. But not everybody speaks the same language. For people to communicate across different cultures, they employ the present day "lingua franca": English. Of course these people, more often than not, don't speak English perfectly. They make spelling mistakes, and grammatical mistakes. All the same, they manage to communicate. This is because any one with a reasonable amount of intelligence, can deduce, through the spelling mistakes, through the bad grammar, and understand the meaning, and the thought, that the person wishes to convey. It is due to one of the very few good things about the English language. Its flexibility. Authors, musicians, and poets have deformed, reversed grammar, and invented words, to suit their needs. (Shakespeare, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Tory Amos)
Another point that has to be addressed is that English, along with French, are the worst languages in the world to learn. (I love English and French, but it's true.) You will find that, country with the highest percentages of people with dyslexia are those who are either English or French speaking. This is because of the ridiculous word construction that these two languages possess. Who else would dream of having eight ways to spell a word that sounds the same. Full of spelling rules and grammatical rules that are constantly broken! With so much rule breaking, why even have the rule to beguine with. (BEGUINE is a great example. Why the FUCK does it have an e at the end! It must have lost itself. It probably fell off the end of "find".) I won't even start on the madness of double letters.
These two languages are the least "user friendly" of all. Yet some how they have both been lingua franca.
(Lingua franca is chosen as the language which is most convenient for commerce. With the way the American economy is going, I think you should prepare yourselves to learn Spanish, Portuguese or Japanese, because Cantonese will be hell.)
It would seem that the English language begs for us to undermine it when written.
I am dyslexic. Do you have any idea what it is to be laughed at, at school in the United States, just because one is a bad speller and a slow reader? Do you know how many hours of tutoring people like me require in school? I am not the only one. There are many. And unfortunately with the English language the way it is, there will only be more. Should all these people be cast out of society? Contrary to what many people think, dyslexia is not synonymous with mongolism, or autism. What often happens is that, while someone who is dyslexic may have trouble in what involves spelling, they often tend to excel in math and physics, and logic. The main trouble seems to have to do with the written character in general.
But wait, I have been correcting my mistakes. My computer shows me each time I use an incorrect spelling. I do my best to correct it, and if I cannot, I go to look it up. Still some manage to slip through, either because they are another word, or they just skip passed the correction. And I have not noticed my self making significantly more spelling mistakes than anybody else...
Is it possible that you find the fact that I do not capitalize, a massacre of the English language? I refer you back to the beginning of what I've been telling you BizB. We are not in school here any more. And what we discus here is ideas, opinions and occurrences. What matters here is being understood (the meaning). Capitalization is not essential to being understood. We are on the internet and living in a time where things are VERY fast paced. The simple act of righting and correcting this post for you (on top of being dyslexic), takes far much more time than I care to spend righting any thing, any where on the internet. Least of all here. We are not writing a novel here. If it offends you to see non capitalized and misspelled text, and you are forced to read it, then perhaps you are not suited to being a moderator. The very concept of you threatening me with ban for bad spelling and non-capitalization goes against everything the internet and this forum stand for. Make no mistake, being ban from this forum is significantly better than being ban from a concentration camp.
Are you seriously telling me that, because my, or anybody else's posts, contain spelling/grammar mistakes, or do not have capitalized letters, that our participation here is less important than others?
As you can probably tell I have no intention of coming back. So I demand that you take whatever steps you do, completely to eliminate my account, permanently from this forum. The simple observation of your(plural) attitudes and reactions is an insult to my good willed nature, and an insult to humanity in general.
This forum is wrongly named. It should not be called "the geeks forum".
It should be called:
Blase condescending and snooty ubersnobs "R" us.
Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of heaven, cause it hasn't.
If I never see this site again, it will be too soon.
Farewell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHCL6-GqyRk
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This will be my last post, on this, or any other matter here.
Yep.
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Ahh I see where he went wrong:
This forum is wrongly named. It should not be called "the geeks forum".
It's not "the geeks forum" it's "The Geek Forum". Specific, not generic. Some geeks are meant to be here, some aren't.
It should be called:
Blase condescending and snooty ubersnobs "R" us.
Yeah, that's pretty much the specific kind of geek we all are.
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For the sake of BizB, this post will have undergone three different spellcheckers.
Don't do anything for me. I certainly didn't or wouldn't do anything for you.On to BizB:
You may not realize exactly what you are saying. So I will tell you. I will also explain to you why it is so profoundly wrong for you as a moderator to say it, and why it can be seen to be so offensive.
Before I continue I have to say I was left uncertain in what regards an integral part of your post.
If you were left uncertain "in what regards an integral part" of my post, let me assure you, you were the only one so afflicted.Perhaps it was due to a spelling error (one that slipped passed the spellchecker?), or else you decided to take artistic license and personify the English language as a woman. To be honest I do not think that would work here. It's a little too unexpected. I actually began by thinking that you were referring to me butchering somebody in the forum. Still I deduced from the bulk of your text that what you are most troubled by is language. MY written language in particular.
I used the word as I wanted to use it. Because I was referring to The Queen's English, I thought it to be a nice play. If you don't like it, I don't care. I'm not here to impress you.The last I looked, the internet and this forum in it, are not a grade school. The internet is a place for ideas to run free. (at least up until, and for now.)
No argument there. Now, if you could only express those ideas in a way that doesn't make one's eyes bleed, you'll be on the right track.Ideas are funny things. They differ from the words we see on our screens and the words we read on paper. Often many of us are forced to ask ourselves:
"What's the word for that?" or "Is there a word for that?" This is because the thought had difficulty associating with the spoken word. (not even starting to imagine the written) word. Thoughts come from a different place that has nothing to do with language. To the point that we manage to produce thoughts and emotions that do not even have a name in any language, let alone English. I can say that "I cannot find any words to describe what exactly it is that I am feeling for you at this moment BizB." and no one will ever be able to know what exactly is going on in my mind.
And yet millions of people every day manage to put their thoughts into words. Worse yet, and probably done just to piss you off, they do it with proper grammar and punctuation and spelling.With that out of the way, I am sure that you cannot deny that the realm of thought and expression should be open to all the world. Not just English speakers. And it is. But not everybody speaks the same language. For people to communicate across different cultures, they employ the present day "lingua franca": English. Of course these people, more often than not, don't speak English perfectly. They make spelling mistakes, and grammatical mistakes. All the same, they manage to communicate. This is because any one with a reasonable amount of intelligence, can deduce, through the spelling mistakes, through the bad grammar, and understand the meaning, and the thought, that the person wishes to convey. It is due to one of the very few good things about the English language. Its flexibility. Authors, musicians, and poets have deformed, reversed grammar, and invented words, to suit their needs. (Shakespeare, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Tory Amos)
Are you saying you're ESL? If so, you certainly could have indicated that early on. I would cut you some slack in that case. Not a lot, but some. There are several ESL members of forums that I frequent, including this one. All of them, to an individual, have better English than you do.Another point that has to be addressed is that English, along with French, are the worst languages in the world to learn. (I love English and French, but it's true.)
Yes. I know. I took 4 years of French in high school and I took English classes for the entire 20 years that I attended school. I'm aware of the difficulty level. You will find that, country with the highest percentages of people with dyslexia are those who are either English or French speaking. This is because of the ridiculous word construction that these two languages possess. Who else would dream of having eight ways to spell a word that sounds the same. Full of spelling rules and grammatical rules that are constantly broken! With so much rule breaking, why even have the rule to beguine with. (BEGUINE is a great example. Why the FUCK does it have an e at the end! It must have lost itself. It probably fell off the end of "find".) I won't even start on the madness of double letters.
These two languages are the least "user friendly" of all. Yet some how they have both been lingua franca.
(Lingua franca is chosen as the language which is most convenient for commerce. With the way the American economy is going, I think you should prepare yourselves to learn Spanish, Portuguese or Japanese, because Cantonese will be hell.)
Your point is what, exactly? You are incapable of learning language skills because it's hard? If that's the case, then you certainly don't qualify as a geek of any sort. A true geek, someone who would want to hang out a place like this, would welcome the challenge, embrace it and persevere until they conquer it. Keep reading. You'll understand further.It would seem that the English language begs for us to undermine it when written.
I am dyslexic.
Me too!Do you have any idea what it is to be laughed at, at school in the United States, just because one is a bad speller and a slow reader?
As a matter of fact, I do. I started to do something about it, though. I'm not a victim. You appear to be, though. Do you know how many hours of tutoring people like me require in school? I am not the only one. There are many. And unfortunately with the English language the way it is, there will only be more. Should all these people be cast out of society?
No. On the contrary, they should be helped and they should do everything to help themselves. Contrary to what many people think, dyslexia is not synonymous with mongolism, or autism. What often happens is that, while someone who is dyslexic may have trouble in what involves spelling, they often tend to excel in math and physics, and logic. The main trouble seems to have to do with the written character in general.
But wait, I have been correcting my mistakes.
So, you are capable. You've just been lazy to this point? My computer shows me each time I use an incorrect spelling. I do my best to correct it, and if I cannot, I go to look it up. Still some manage to slip through, either because they are another word, or they just skip passed the correction. And I have not noticed my self making significantly more spelling mistakes than anybody else...
And some are real words, just applied wrong. Like, for example, "passed" in the above sentence. I'm not pointing it out to pick on you. I'm pointing it out because it's an example of one of the things that I would let slide. You really don't see a big difference between the quality of your posts and the posts of the others on this forum who are accepted and admired here? That's sad. Is it possible that you find the fact that I do not capitalize, a massacre of the English language?
Nope. That's a small part of it. It does irk me, but that's not what prompted my comment. ydnamtnediserp, for example, doesn't capitalize. She does everything else right, so I accept her lower-case-ness as style. I refer you back to the beginning of what I've been telling you BizB. We are not in school here any more. And what we discus here is ideas, opinions and occurrences. What matters here is being understood (the meaning).
Agreed. But if I can't get past your spelling errors and get to the heart of what you're trying to express, then you've failed in "being understood". Capitalization is not essential to being understood.
Agreed. As I pointed out above, that's a small part of it. A very small part. We are on the internet and living in a time where things are VERY fast paced.
It's real time! And, it is "fast" compared to sending a letter via the USPS; true. But, this isn't a chat room. I've taken at least 30 minutes to write this post. And yet, nothing happened that made what I am saying untimely. The simple act of righting and correcting this post for you (on top of being dyslexic), takes far much more time than I care to spend righting any thing, any where on the internet. Least of all here. We are not writing a novel here. If it offends you to see non capitalized and misspelled text, and you are forced to read it, then perhaps you are not suited to being a moderator.
You're wrong. Part off what sets this forum apart from the myriad forms on the internet where any moron is welcomed and embraced is that we, the moderators and admins of the site, protect it. We do so by scolding and casting away those who will not take the time to do the things that it takes to keep the flavor of the site. The very concept of you threatening me with ban for bad spelling and non-capitalization goes against everything the internet and this forum stand for.
Wrong. Simply wrong.Make no mistake, being ban from this forum is significantly better than being ban from a concentration camp.
Are you seriously telling me that, because my, or anybody else's posts, contain spelling/grammar mistakes, or do not have capitalized letters, that our participation here is less important than others?
Yes.
As you can probably tell I have no intention of coming back. So I demand that you take whatever steps you do, completely to eliminate my account, permanently from this forum. The simple observation of your(plural) attitudes and reactions is an insult to my good willed nature, and an insult to humanity in general.
You'll come back. They always do. You'll want to see if you got under my skin. You'll want to see if you've opened my eyes.
Just like every time you take a dump, you look in the toilet to see if it was a good one, you'll be back.
This forum is wrongly named. It should not be called "the geeks forum".
It should be called:
Blase condescending and snooty ubersnobs "R" us.
Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of heaven, cause it hasn't.
If I never see this site again, it will be too soon.
Farewell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHCL6-GqyRk
Ok.
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Love how he posts several long-ass posts about how he's NOT upset. And condescendingly accusing everyone else of being condescending.
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post....
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Quote from: boomvoom on Yesterday at 08:08:07 PM
The very concept of you threatening me with ban for bad spelling and non-capitalization goes against everything the internet and this forum stand for.
Wrong. Simply wrong.
I LOL'ed, for realz.
(yes, I know, I know I didn't quote it properly. That damn post was just too frakking long.)
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I love it when they humiliate themselves.
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I love it when they humiliate themselves.
Indeed. But I suppose nobody including he/she/it caught that I was playing him/her/itty on the posts with Xolik.
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"Mr. boomvoom, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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"Mr. boomvoom, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Don't insult Billy Madison by comparing boomvoom's intelligence to his. Besides, I totally get what he was saying about that happy little puppy.
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e-tantrums ITT
Oh. Loved banning his ass, too.
another example of the zionist freemason conspiracy suppressing the innocent way to prove his point
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For the record, Mr. "As you can probably tell I have no intention of coming back. So I demand that you take whatever steps you do, completely to eliminate my account, permanently from this forum." has returned at least once (according to the hits on his ban rules) to look at the poopie that he made.
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They always do. They're hoping to see a flood of "OH NO YOU WERE SO RIGHT WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO CHASE OFF THIS TOWERING INTELLECT OH PLEASE OH PLEASE FORGIVE US."
Instead there's a thread about cat farts.
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That last post he made caused me to rethink everything about my life and now I'm a cowboy
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Cowboy?
Lacerda's a d00d?
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That last post he made caused me to rethink everything about my life and now I'm a cowboy
I thought you were a duck herder.
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You can't herd ducks, you can only suggest places they might want to visit and hope something catches their interest.
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I hate when I avoid a thread based entirely on its title and when I finally venture in I miss all the action! :x
EDIT: For the record, I would have asked him what he thought about this:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07
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I love it when they get all indignant. It's so adorable.