Topic: 911 and the Society of the Spectacle (Read 8490 times)

Sam_Fan · « **on:** February 11, 2005, 09:37:33 AM »

911 and the Society of the Spectacle:
http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/140816/index.php
mirror:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/309914.shtml

Everytime this article gets posted to the New York Indymedia site their editorial committee hides it without explanation. However, if the ideas behind it are that ridiculous why not let other people see them?

The author argues that the progressive media is not what it seems, and that fake video was aired on 9/11/01. Any comments from this crowd?

related link: http://www.911Hoax.com

hackess · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:39:44 AM »

*sigh*

Are you going to stick around if we respond, or it this just a fishing expedition?

Sam_Fan · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2005, 10:07:43 AM »

*sigh*

Anonymous · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:40:27 AM »

I beleive this topic was already discussed.

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Sam_Fan · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:50:57 AM »

the discussion you linked to concerns Flight 77 striking the Pentagon. It doesn't appear to discuss the video of the planes which struck the WTC.

hackess · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:59:30 AM »

Yes, 9/11 never happened. The government blew up the WTC and killed 3000 of its own citizens to start a War on Terror with some justification.

Right.

Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. We're not buying it.

Sam_Fan · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2005, 01:00:22 PM »

"Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere. We're not buying it."

Ok, but concidence theories make much less sense.

xolik · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2005, 01:01:12 PM »

The best proof that there is a consipiracy is the total lack of evidence.

Tin foil hat time!

MISTER MASSACRE · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2005, 01:07:50 PM »

MICHAEL MOORE IS ACTUALLY GEORGE W. BUSH IN A FAT SUIT AND HE IS THERE TO TURN MODERATE AMERICANS AWAY FROM THE TRUTH THAT SPACE ZIONISTS AND THEIR CABAL OF GUN CONTROL ACTIVISTS HAVE REPLACED EVERY MEMBER OF THE ADMINISTRATION WITH AN EBOLA MONKEY

Sam_Fan · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2005, 01:16:29 PM »

"The best proof that there is a consipiracy is the total lack of evidence."

Unfortunately, there's a wealth of evidence.

hackess · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2005, 01:38:46 PM »

Go Mulder elsewhere. You'll not find much support here.

reimero · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2005, 02:04:04 PM »

Quote from: Sam_Fan

"The best proof that there is a consipiracy is the total lack of evidence."

Unfortunately, there's a wealth of evidence.

There is a wealth of circumstantial innuendo, doctored footage and conspiracy theorists coming up with the one-in-a-trillion scenarios which CLEARLY negates the MOUNTAINS of hard, provable, FACT.

You, sir, are a moron. Why don't you spread your juvenile conspiracy theories at www.olliestoneconspiracies.com or something?

Sam_Fan · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2005, 02:18:59 PM »

Hi reimero, I hope you're having a pleasant day.

I'm looking for intellectual criticism for my ideas. If you have any I'd be interested in reading them. Thanks.

reimero · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2005, 03:17:15 PM »

I don't waste my substantial (>150 IQ) intellect disproving drivel that has been refuted beyond the shadow of a doubt.

How's this for an exercise: prove CONCLUSIVELY the existence of God, without using the Bible or other religious sources as absolute proof.

Edit: A similarly challenging intellectual exercise will also suffice. But please, no more sensationalist crap.

Vespertine · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2005, 03:40:56 PM »

Quote from: Sam_Fan

Hi reimero, I hope you're having a pleasant day.

I'm looking for intellectual criticism for my ideas. If you have any I'd be interested in reading them. Thanks.

And I'm looking for you (as a brand new board member) to NOT insult the regulars. This is not how you get off on the right foot around here.

ivan · « **Reply #15 on:** February 11, 2005, 04:15:10 PM »

Quote from: Sam_Fan

I'm looking for intellectual criticism for my ideas. If you have any I'd be interested in reading them. Thanks.

They are not "your" ideas.

Nor are they your "ideas".

The site you link is not the most compelling I've read on the subject, but what makes me sick is the inevitable sales pitch at the end of the argument. Just more venal pigfuckers trying to profit by exploiting a tragedy.

I'm sure your "ideas" explain away the loose ends -- like Osama's bragging and the eyewitnesses who DID see planes crash into the buildings -- but why bother? The central argument is pathetic all by itself:

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Throughout the day of 9/11/01 the news media repeatedly showed video clips of "Flight 175" striking the South Tower to a horrified public. Then the video imagery disappeared from the nation's airwaves. It has seldom been aired since. That's because this 911 video was fake. There were no commercial jets which crashed into the World Trade Center. The planners who conceived of 911 knew that jet fuel (i.e., refined kerosene) could not possibly melt the steel towers?and certainly couldn't deform the steel to cause it to collapse in the path of most resistance; i.e., straight down. Yet, they also needed a large television audience to SEE these planes striking the towers before the towers demolished. This would indoctrinate the general public into believing that the planes caused the destruction of the towers. Because 911 also included a fictional attack on the Pentagon, a shoot-down of a civilian aircraft (UA 93), phony cell phone calls from heroic passengers and another tall steel building (WTC 7) suddenly collapsing in its footprint this was too much information for most people to handle. Millions of people (still) want to believe the ludicrous official story of 911 so badly that they are willing to accept whatever scientific and logical contradictions are necessary to do so.

The "scientific and logical contradictions" -- namely, that "jet fuel (i.e., refined kerosene) could not possibly melt the steel towers ... and certainly couldn't deform the steel to cause it to collapse in the path of most resistance; i.e., straight down" -- are not contradictions, but a stubborn denial of what happened before our very eyes. There is no evidence whatsoever of any other cause. The only evidence you hold up is "well... gosh... it doesn't seem possible!"

Face it. It happenned. After months of planning, a group of radical Muslims hijacked some planes and flew them into buildings, causing catastrophic damage. The buildings collapsed into their footprints because that's what buildings like that are designed to do. "Oh look!" you asshats cry, "It collapsed into itself -- the shadowy government must be behind this!" And if, instead of collapsing downwards, the tops of the buildings had broken off and gone flying into other buildings, killing thousands more? "Oh look!" you pathetic cretins would have cried, "The tops of the buildings were propelled sideways -- the shadowy government must be behind this!"

Pigfuckers.

xolik · « **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2005, 04:39:43 PM »

Quote from: ivan

Pigfuckers.

I think I've started a trend.

ivan · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2005, 04:47:22 PM »

Yes you did!

Word of the day!

Sam_Fan · « **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2005, 05:05:28 PM »

"but what makes me sick is the inevitable sales pitch at the end of the argument."

What are you talking about?

ivan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2005, 05:10:08 PM »

http://www.thepowermall.com/

Pigfuckers.

Sam_Fan · « **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2005, 06:40:56 PM »

if I tell people they should see '911: In Plane Site' I'm not necessarily saying people should pay to see it. THis isn't a sales pitch.

ivan · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2005, 06:51:46 PM »

Of COURSE it's a goddam sales pitch! Why else would you want people to visit those sites?

The fact that you are here to sell something completely undermines your argument. You are a filthy liar capitalizing on people's true grief.

What you do is no different than stealing rings and gold fillings off the corpses of the people who died in 9/11. In fact, it's worse, because in the process you also are spreading lies made up by the Masons.

Go the fuck away from here, you corpse-fucker!

Sub-Par · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:51:27 PM »

That article reminds me of that video game, Metal Gear Solid: Sons of Liberty.

MISTER MASSACRE · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:51:57 PM »

MICHAEL MOORE, WHICH IS TO SAY GEORGE W. IN A FAT SUIT, TRICKED ME INTO HAVING SEX WITH A CORPSE WHEN HE TOLD ME IT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO DIVERT THETA WAVES FROM WEST-COAST RAPPERS BENT ON TURNING OUR GLORIOUS NATION'S CHILDREN INTO PRO GOLFERS

Sardonicus · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2005, 03:04:11 AM »

Sam_Fan,

You are the worst sort of sensationalist fuckwit. You profit from tragedy when you find other weak-minded individuals to endorse your a priori view of the world. You disgust me.

Be gone, and take your distorted solicitations for validation with you. Better yet, have them etched on rebar and shove them up your ass.

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