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Progress?
« on: April 16, 2009, 12:22:06 PM »
Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.
 
 Progress = Destruction of Nature.
 Development = Destruction of Nature.
 
 We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
 We cannot have Sustainable Development.
 
 Development can never be sustainable.
 Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.
 
 Development and Sustainability are opposites.
 Development and Sustainability are contradictory.
 
 Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
 Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.
 
 Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
 Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
 Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.
 
 Development is associated with Change.
 Development is associated with New.
 Development is associated with Transience.
 
 Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.
 
 A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.
 
 Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.
 
 
 
 The term Sustainable Development is like the terms
 
 Stationary Walk.
 Silent Talk.
 Wakeful Sleep.
 Dark Sun
 Gentle Torture.
 Dry Rain.
 Peaceful War.
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Progress? Part 2- Illogical Logic Of Man
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 12:24:18 PM »
A few birds had got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
 They say birds are a threat to humans.
 
 Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
 They said cows are a threat to humans.
 
 Ever since Man came into existence - millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people - and will continue to infect millions more in future.
 Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
 Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.
 
 It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence – and can kill millions more any time in future.
 Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.
 
 It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet - In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.
 
 Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species – polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.
 
 In a mere 200 - 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.
 
 Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
 Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.
 
 The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here - and destroy the entire human race.

Dually note the title please.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 01:08:54 PM »
tl;dr
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 01:16:54 PM »
Quote from: xolik on April 16, 2009, 01:08:54 PM
tl;dr
It really isn't as long as it seems. You might learn something, or re-enforce what you already know.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 02:19:43 PM »
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 08:31:16 PM »
Quote from: WickedWizard on April 16, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
Progress = Destruction of Nature.
You lost me here.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 09:17:28 PM »
Quote from: WickedWizard on April 16, 2009, 01:16:54 PM
It really isn't as long as it seems. You might learn something, or re-enforce what you already know.
I have a sneaking suspicion that you are not going to teach him anything he doesn't already know.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 03:47:06 PM »
Yeah... well. I did say "or re-enforce what you already know"... so... yeah.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 04:21:31 PM »
Just out of curiosity, is 're-enforcement' fundamentally different from 'reinforcement'?
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 06:19:45 PM »
Re-enforce: (verb) The act of enforcing a law, regulation or rule a redundant time.  Ex. That fucking pig better not re-enforce me again by giving me ANOTHER speeding ticket!
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 08:09:48 PM »
LOL.  I think I actually read that in a James Patterson novel...
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2009, 10:14:14 AM »
Humans = natural = nature.

Problem solved.  We're not destroying nature.  We're expanding it.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2009, 11:31:52 AM »
reinforcement.
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 12:21:48 PM »
Should I take on these ramblings point by point, or would that merely be expelling good air after bad?

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Re: Progress?
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2009, 08:32:26 PM »
Calm down.

It's easy to look at the world to day and declare, "Our way of life is unsustainable!"  Just becuase you can only see our growth and future needs but not any solutions doesn't mean those solutions won't arrive.  If they don't?  Oh well, a few bloody wars are fought over scarce resources and billions die in a famine.  Europe was great after the Black Death...food, land, and jobs a plenty...

Anyway, my point is that scientific advances have already made populations that would have been impossible decades ago possible.  See Norman Borlaug. 

As for the part about progress being the destruction of nature, you're off there.  Once a country reaches a certain standard of living, the people in that country seem to enjoy sacrificing some wealth for environmental quality.  Yeah, China is fucking up big time and turning into a dust bowl circa the 30s, but given time two things will happen.  1. Their economy will slow from its amazingly high growth rates.  2. People will begin demanding environmental reform.  China isn't quite as scary as some people think, but that's beside the point. 
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Re: Progress?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2009, 08:55:01 AM »
Quote from: tweek on May 11, 2009, 08:32:26 PM
Calm down.

Europe was great after the Black Death...food, land, and jobs a plenty...


Seems pretty fair that you people take this turn.
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