Topic: Hillary's NHC Program (Read 7339 times)

BizB · « **on:** September 14, 2007, 03:25:24 PM »

Hillary is scheduled to introduce her new National Health Care system on Monday. I really hope she isn't elected and they never go to NHC.

Here's one example of why: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/14/nsmoker114.xml

I'm not a smoker (any more) and I even disagree with something like that.

pickled kitten · « **Reply #1 on:** September 14, 2007, 03:51:33 PM »

Although I disagree with that particular situation I'm in favour of a NHS. It's a bit ridiculous that even with insurance I'm spending $200+ a month for my prescriptions and doctor visits. I still owe the hospital $3k from a surgery I HAD to have and because I can't pay them it's been on my credit report for two years. I can't imagine what it's like for people without insurance.

I'll agree that I hope Hilary isn't elected but there has GOT to be a solution for our health care that's better than what's going on right now.

BizB · « **Reply #2 on:** September 14, 2007, 04:49:53 PM »

Oh, there certainly is a solution and it has to do with the law. The answer is Tort Reforms.

If your auto insurance worked like your health insurance, you'd be filling out an insurance claim every time you got an oil change and you'd bitch about having to pay for your gasoline.

What we need, in order to reduce the cost of your most basic medical procedures is:

Nurse Practitioners
Tort Reforms
Discounts for well biannual visits

That's your answer to solving the "health care crisis" (why the fuck does everything have to be a crisis?)

Name one thing that the government currently does better than the private sector.

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2007, 05:16:47 PM »

Drug dealing.

xolik · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2007, 06:28:04 PM »

Quote from: BizB on September 14, 2007, 04:49:53 PM

(why the fuck does everything have to be a crisis?)

Fear mongering gets votes.

Quote from: BizB on September 14, 2007, 04:49:53 PM

Name one thing that the government currently does better than the private sector.

Kill people.

Min · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2007, 08:09:47 PM »

Quote from: BizB on September 14, 2007, 04:49:53 PM

Name one thing that the government currently does better than the private sector.

Agreed. We all bitch about the Post Office and Public Education and yet we want to put our HEALTH into the hands of the government??

What healthcare needs is capitalism.

pickled kitten · « **Reply #6 on:** September 14, 2007, 10:01:22 PM »

Quote from: Detta on September 14, 2007, 08:09:47 PM

What healthcare needs is capitalism.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Please.

The last thing our health care needs is capitalism. If our health care is over priced and people are under cared for now, it would be FAR worse if it was based solely on a capitalistic structure. Doctors could deny patients anything if they didn't have the money to cough up on the spot the only people that would receive any kind of medical help are the people that could pay for it. People that are already waiting years for kidneys or livers might as well just off themselves now because they'll never get it if capitalism ruled health care.

Min · « **Reply #7 on:** September 14, 2007, 10:16:51 PM »

Right now, I'm paying for everyone else's health care, although I'm not getting sick because I take care of myself. I'd rather just pay for my own. And now they'd like me to pay MORE so that everyone can get equal health care. Socialism doesn't work.

I know...I'm so heartless.

Scheherazade · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2007, 11:53:58 AM »

Quote from: Detta on September 14, 2007, 10:16:51 PM

Right now, I'm paying for everyone else's health care, although I'm not getting sick because I take care of myself.

That's not exactly a fair statement. What if your appendix bursts tomorrow, or your liver fails? Things like that can't always be avoided by taking proper care of yourself. Also it sounds like you're insinuating that people with illnesses that require medication and regular specialized doctor visits are ill because they can't take care of themselves. Epilepsy? Cancer? Alzheimer's? Are those illnesses that people get when they can't take care of themselves? No. You can take care of yourself better than anyone and still get cancer in the end. And you're saying those people should suffer under a capitalistic health care system.

BizB · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2007, 12:19:56 PM »

Quote from: pickled kitten on September 14, 2007, 10:01:22 PM

Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Please.

The last thing our health care needs is capitalism.

Were it not for the motivation of profit, you wouldn't have access to such incredible medical facilities and equipment. Just think of the advances that have been made in the medical industry for the sole purpose of profit.

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If our health care is over priced and people are under cared for now, it would be FAR worse if it was based solely on a capitalistic structure.

It is already based on capitalism. The problem isn't the health care industry. The problem is the insurance industry.

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Doctors could deny patients anything if they didn't have the money to cough up on the spot the only people that would receive any kind of medical help are the people that could pay for it.

Don't tell Hypocrites that!

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People that are already waiting years for kidneys or livers might as well just off themselves now because they'll never get it if capitalism ruled health care.

If people could sell their kidneys on the open market, then there wouldn't be a need to wait. It is government regulation and over-bloated insurance oligopolies that are to blame for the outrageous idiocy of the current system.

BizB · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2007, 12:21:41 PM »

Quote from: ihatecliches on September 15, 2007, 11:53:58 AM

And you're saying those people should suffer under a capitalistic health care system.

If I may be so bold, I think that she's saying that they shouldn't suffer under a government run health care system.

Min · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2007, 09:55:20 PM »

Quote from: ihatecliches on September 15, 2007, 11:53:58 AM

Also it sounds like you're insinuating that people with illnesses that require medication and regular specialized doctor visits are ill because they can't take care of themselves. Epilepsy? Cancer? Alzheimer's? Are those illnesses that people get when they can't take care of themselves?

Absolutely. They can. I don't know about epilepsy but cancer? Yes. Research just found that kale, when put on tumors, shrivels them up. So...EAT MORE KALE. Pomegranate and pomegranate juice reduces dimensia and Alzheimer's by 60%. V8 Fusion Pomegranate and Blueberry flavor (which has one full serving of fruit AND one full serving of vegetable per serving) is about 3 bucks at Kroger.

What's so hard about that? There are alot of foods out there that will absolutely improve your quality of health and life. Put down your cheeseburger and look into it.

And yes Biz, thank you. I don't think people should suffer through government run health care. Again...look at public education if you're not convinced.

If something does wind up happening to me, I'd rather get the best doctor that I can buy...than to get the best doctor that the government will allow me to get...under their awesome universal health care system.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2007, 02:16:18 AM »

I'm generally against a national health insurance program. I haven't studied up on this issue enough to comment further.

Paladin · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2007, 07:40:58 AM »

I'm not sure about a national health system, but the insurance system is definetly fucked up.

Then again, i'm not an american so my opinion doesn't count.

d_money · « **Reply #14 on:** September 17, 2007, 10:01:48 AM »

I think the real question here is how many licks does it take?

Min · « **Reply #15 on:** September 17, 2007, 07:58:32 PM »

Quote from: Detta on September 14, 2007, 10:16:51 PM

Right now, I'm paying for everyone else's health care, although I'm not getting sick because I take care of myself. I'd rather just pay for my own.

I need to retract part of this and clarify. I thought through it some more and paying for everyone else's health care is the whole point of insurance. I'm not going to just pay for my own health care. But I do want to pay for my own insurance and that's it.

I pay about $20/month for my medical insurance. The County for which I work pays the rest, I guess. Don't you think that's an excellent incentive for people to stay in school and get better jobs? The problem isn't all health care...it's society. The reason alot of people don't have health care is that they don't have JOBS. Why should I have to work my three jobs and pay extra taxes for them to have health insurance and not work any jobs?

Taxes WILL BE higher and they'll complain that they can't pay their taxes. So I'll have to help with that too!!

I think the elderly and disabled should get some sort of assistance. But the lazy and drug addicted are on their own.

d_money · « **Reply #16 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:10:25 PM »

That's why I just don't pay taxes... they'll never catch me...

Anyanka_was_framed · « **Reply #17 on:** September 19, 2007, 07:36:13 PM »

Quote from: Detta on September 17, 2007, 07:58:32 PM

Taxes WILL BE higher and they'll complain that they can't pay their taxes. So I'll have to help with that too!!

Yeah, I get that. I'm not a fan of the gov taking as much as they do out of my measly retail paycheck when I think about the people who don't deserve my help through my hard-earned paycheck. Is that bitter and terrible? There are people who are getting help they both need and deserve through this money...it just feels like it doesn't balance out.

Quote from: Detta on September 17, 2007, 07:58:32 PM

I think the elderly and disabled should get some sort of assistance. But the lazy and drug addicted are on their own.

I agree with the bit about "the lazy". I'm not sure how I feel about the bit about the drug addicted. Just wondering- what about people with eating disorders? What do you think?

Min · « **Reply #18 on:** September 19, 2007, 09:15:57 PM »

People with eating disorders don't get jobs?

As for the drug addicted...I lived with an addict for a short time. The only way for him to stay out of jail was to get a job. He wouldn't. And he wouldn't get help either. I don't want to throw any more money away on people like that.

Anyanka_was_framed · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2007, 09:41:06 PM »

Plenty of people with eating disorders have jobs, I should have been more specific. The ones that are old enough to get a job. A lot of them are kids, really. There's a lot of crossover and comparison between addiction and eating disorders, so I figured I'd ask what you thought about the ones in and out of hospitals a lot, or at least for extensive periods of time.

xolik · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2007, 12:09:31 PM »

Quote from: Anyanka_was_framed on September 19, 2007, 07:36:13 PM

Just wondering- what about people with eating disorders?

I ain't paying for your ding-dongs.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #21 on:** September 20, 2007, 12:30:51 PM »

If we didn't invade Iraq we could have covered everyone with health care, invested in public health and education, and still been able to give healthy tax rebates to everyone. Just sayin'

BizB · « **Reply #22 on:** September 20, 2007, 01:28:19 PM »

Quote from: pbsaurus on September 20, 2007, 12:30:51 PM

If we didn't invade Iraq we could have covered everyone with health care, invested in public health and education, and still been able to give healthy tax rebates to everyone. Just sayin'

If is for children.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #23 on:** September 20, 2007, 02:36:17 PM »

I thought that was Trix.

BizB · « **Reply #24 on:** September 20, 2007, 03:18:03 PM »

Trix are for kids, silly rabbit.

If and Hell... those are for children.

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