Topic: Should the world be run by one system? (Read 21296 times)

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #50 on:** September 21, 2006, 10:13:14 PM »

Quote from: Evonus on September 21, 2006, 09:14:41 PM

Are you being serious or sarcastic?

You're forgetting one major thing. When that system worked, it worked in small groups. It doesn't work in large groups, because most people don't care about those they have never and probably will never meet.

Yes but all this was back before land and resources were scarce. Have you seen the population density of America during those times?

It's not a weakness. We've never seen the police stopped in this country.

I was being quite serious. And sure, anarchy may not be directly scalable to the population at large, but most methods of implimenting such a system would likely reduce the population (whether or not it would be enough depends on the exact method used I suppose). Hopefully by that point people would do a better job of considering whether or not the world really NEEDs another monkey running around, but that's really another issue entirely.

So yes, I do concede that the majority of the population isn't ready to stop holding the government's hand and tell them to go away next time they want some of your money, that's ok. I believe that everyone can and should do precisely what they want to do (yeah yeah, that allows a lot of bad mojo I know, but think about it. No government means no Unabomber, or any of those other people who think the government's out to get them and such), and that a lot of people would choose anarchy if given the choice.

If a wave of people started switching over, some more people might decide that its a good idea. Many would stay, and that is their perogative. It's not my fault that the government is totally inflexible and wouldn't take too kindly to that. I'm intrigued by the idea of creating a small settlement of anarchy somewhere to see if it would work, even on the scale of say, a small town. Then I'd consider scaling up.

No, anarchy is by no means a perfect system, but everyone should be able to agree that capitalism isn't either. To say that your system of choice is perfect is to claim utopia, which just gets you laughed at.

The american police have been stopped numerous times, their shortcomings are well known by this point.

brandon85 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 22, 2006, 02:22:05 PM »

Too many rebellious people in the world. No matter which way is best, there are always those that will oppose.

xolik · « **Reply #52 on:** September 22, 2006, 02:30:03 PM »

Quote from: brandon85 on September 22, 2006, 02:22:05 PM

Too many rebellious people in the world. No matter which way is best, there are always those that will oppose.

That's probably for the best, actually. Can you imagine how dreadfully boring life would be if we all got along?

pbsaurus · « **Reply #53 on:** September 22, 2006, 03:39:20 PM »

Quote from: xolik on September 22, 2006, 02:30:03 PM

That's probably for the best, actually. Can you imagine how dreadfully boring life would be if we all got along?

shut up, no one asked you

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #54 on:** September 22, 2006, 04:37:37 PM »

Yeah, I don't think I'd really like the government to fall apart, that would be very boring. I'm content really to simply disregard laws, as I presently lack the initiative to enact any sort of widespread change, for now at least.

My personal problem with the government is that it perpetually meddles with other people's business, and has its hand in every single little thing that goes on. It's got gangs of hired thugs with guns to force me to do what it wants all the time, and they'll lock me up with maniacs if I don't. They refuse to allow me to construct machines to free myself from the central power grid (among other things) and generally just annoy the hell out of me.

One day I realized (or rather, the final few concepts slid into place in my mind, I'd been coming towards this conclusion for a while at that point) that there's nothing supernatural about things like laws, the police, the government. They're all just people like you or I. Therefore, why the hell should they be able to tell me what to do on pain of death or imprisonment? Who gave them the right to say that there are some places I am just not allowed to go? We're all just monkeys, and I have yet to see a single one with a plainly marked superiority that would give him/her/it the right to command a single person.

UPDATE: The answer to my own question came to be while waiting for the bus: the population. By allowing things to have gone on as long as they have without doing anything, it's our own damn fault.

Evonus · « **Reply #55 on:** September 23, 2006, 12:32:59 AM »

Quote from: Agent_Tachyon on September 22, 2006, 04:37:37 PM

Yeah, I don't think I'd really like the government to fall apart, that would be very boring. I'm content really to simply disregard laws, as I presently lack the initiative to enact any sort of widespread change, for now at least.

My personal problem with the government is that it perpetually meddles with other people's business, and has its hand in every single little thing that goes on. It's got gangs of hired thugs with guns to force me to do what it wants all the time, and they'll lock me up with maniacs if I don't. They refuse to allow me to construct machines to free myself from the central power grid (among other things) and generally just annoy the hell out of me.

I personally don't like the government minding my bussiness as well, and I will agree with you here. There are many laws that are essential to human civilization, such as not killing each other. Not stealing from one another excetera. But there are plenty that the government has no business telling others what to do. Examples being homosexual marriage, marijuana, and suicide. I personally feel that those three are choices every individual should make for themselves, although I would chose no on all three, I still think having the ability to choose is good.

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One day I realized (or rather, the final few concepts slid into place in my mind, I'd been coming towards this conclusion for a while at that point) that there's nothing supernatural about things like laws, the police, the government. They're all just people like you or I. Therefore, why the hell should they be able to tell me what to do on pain of death or imprisonment? Who gave them the right to say that there are some places I am just not allowed to go? We're all just monkeys, and I have yet to see a single one with a plainly marked superiority that would give him/her/it the right to command a single person.

UPDATE: The answer to my own question came to be while waiting for the bus: the population. By allowing things to have gone on as long as they have without doing anything, it's our own damn fault.

It's not that the population let it go on. They voted for most if not all of these laws, and that's why anarchy won't overthrow a republic. Why would the majority of the population revolt against the system they put in place and maintain? Laws and people have power because the masses give them power.

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #56 on:** September 23, 2006, 12:27:06 PM »

I'm not so sure about that bit about how the population put all those laws in place. Last I heard, in the states at least, Congress was having less and less say in new laws. Hell, even if the entire US population (or pretty well any other country it seems) agrees that one law is good, somebody in government always decides he's too big to bother with it (cough*Nixon/Bush*cough). There's a good argument that recently, even presidential elections didn't mean much, what with Bush managing to win the first time by getting...amost half the votes.

TeraHammer · « **Reply #57 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:33:54 PM »

Great topic.

We live together on this bunch of clay and we must be able to make general decisions if humanity is to survive. Force the system, if necessary. I strongly believe a controlled technocracy is way better than a selfdestroying anarchy.

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #58 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:23:33 PM »

Oh lord not this thread again...

Evonus · « **Reply #59 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:39:50 PM »

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 23, 2006, 08:33:54 PM

Great topic.

We live together on this bunch of clay and we must be able to make general decisions if humanity is to survive. Force the system, if necessary. I strongly believe a controlled technocracy is way better than a selfdestroying anarchy.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a technocracy?

TeraHammer · « **Reply #60 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:45:38 PM »

The goverment type which believes that modern technology and a government organized on a scientific basis can lead to a society of abundance.

Evonus · « **Reply #61 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:46:44 PM »

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 23, 2006, 09:45:38 PM

The goverment type which believes that modern technology and a government organized on a scientific basis can lead to a society of abundance.

I think I love you. I've never heard of that before, but I <3.

TeraHammer · « **Reply #62 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:50:10 PM »

lol

Here is more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_%28bureaucratic%29

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #63 on:** October 23, 2006, 10:00:28 PM »

I'd like that, but I fear that the current anti-intellectualistic trends apparent all around us may stand in the way of such a system.

BizB · « **Reply #64 on:** October 24, 2006, 08:12:37 AM »

TeraHammer and Evonus debating! Why didn't I think of that sooner? This should be VERY entertaining.

hackess · « **Reply #65 on:** October 24, 2006, 12:54:13 PM »

Quote from: BizB on October 24, 2006, 08:12:37 AM

TeraHammer and Evonus debating! Why didn't I think of that sooner? This should be VERY entertaining.

This makes the idea of that Special Forum much more appealing.

TeraHammer · « **Reply #66 on:** October 24, 2006, 01:26:24 PM »

Huh, a special forum? I have been gone for too long

Anyway, Evonus, what anti-intellectualistic trends do you mean?

Dark Shade · « **Reply #67 on:** October 24, 2006, 03:03:47 PM »

Quote from: BizB on October 24, 2006, 08:12:37 AM

TeraHammer and Evonus debating! Why didn't I think of that sooner? This should be VERY entertaining.

I can't wait to see how this turns out!

Evonus · « **Reply #68 on:** October 24, 2006, 06:05:09 PM »

Quote from: Agent_Tachyon on October 23, 2006, 10:00:28 PM

I'd like that, but I fear that the current anti-intellectualistic trends apparent all around us may stand in the way of such a system.

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 24, 2006, 01:26:24 PM

Huh, a special forum? I have been gone for too long

Anyway, Evonus, what anti-intellectualistic trends do you mean?

TeraHammer · « **Reply #69 on:** October 24, 2006, 08:33:26 PM »

Lol, right, sorry.

Though apparently they expect big fireworks from this topic from us. Let's just bugger them and have peace, shall we?

tweek · « **Reply #70 on:** October 24, 2006, 09:51:49 PM »

Quote from: BizB on October 24, 2006, 08:12:37 AM

TeraHammer and Evonus debating! Why didn't I think of that sooner? This should be VERY entertaining.

As in the HN Special Olympics type entertaining?

jeee · « **Reply #71 on:** October 25, 2006, 08:16:31 AM »

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 24, 2006, 08:33:26 PM

Lol, right, sorry.

Though apparently they expect big fireworks from this topic from us.

More an all time low.....

dcrog · « **Reply #72 on:** October 25, 2006, 11:12:09 AM »

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 24, 2006, 08:33:26 PM

Let's just bugger them and have peace, shall we?

I can see you don't know Evonus very well.

Evonus · « **Reply #73 on:** October 26, 2006, 05:15:58 PM »

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 24, 2006, 08:33:26 PM

Lol, right, sorry.

Though apparently they expect big fireworks from this topic from us. Let's just bugger them and have peace, shall we?

Sounds good to me, it's always fun to disappoint.

rogue_77 · « **Reply #74 on:** December 07, 2006, 05:55:04 PM »

Quote from: TeraHammer on October 24, 2006, 01:26:24 PM

Huh, a special forum? I have been gone for too long

Anyway, Evonus, what anti-intellectualistic trends do you mean?

I actually kind of see society almost in a way devolving into ... can't think of the term now... (I believe superficial is the word)but more concerned with having the "bling" and having nothing worth anything. Not trying to improve the world, just having some nice "grills" and spinners.

I think there seems to be some many classes in todays society that its hard to read how we will turn out. On one hand we are smarter and developing more then we ever have, on another we are at war and the world is in turmoil on more then one field and on another hand we have a huge amount of people(mostly the youth) who aren't educated that well and, frankly, seem to just not care.

I do hope for the future, but I am also scared a bit.

Am I just getting old?

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