Topic: The Federated Commonwealth (FedCom) (Read 33760 times)

Terminator_484 · « **on:** March 14, 2008, 05:03:24 PM »

AFRICA

A continent that has been neglected, abused, pillaged, and exploited by the rest of the world for centuries of history. A dozen wars burn across the continent, dictators sack their own nations, millions starve and die of disease each year, and the rest of the world is content to look the other way. Shame on them.

International aid shipments are seized by corrupt governments before they can reach those in need. Humanitarian groups can only do so much, and the good they manage to do is rarely permanent. Some groups have even gone so far as to write off Africa as a lost cause, and give up.

FedCom refutes that sentiment. Ours is the ONLY micronation intent on building the world's first modern civilization in this forsaken land; to give the neglected people of Africa a chance for prosperity. We envision a new nation, on par with that of the most developed nations in existence today, which could lead the rest of Africa out of the slums of the third world.

Powerful as that vision is, we cannot do it alone: we need the strength to make a difference. We have the plan and the vision: we just need the means to bring it to life.

If you find this interesting and would like more information, or would like to contact the FedCom government, please take a moment to visit our website.

BizB · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2008, 05:07:10 PM »

After your link is deleted, we'll debate the merits of your plea.

I, for one, believe that Africans have enough information to know that they needn't be governed the way they are. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2008, 05:08:41 PM »

What makes you think enveloping all those nations into one will work? We're seeing more seccession than anything anymore. Most recently Kosovo breaking from Serbia. I think more fragmentation would be beneficial. If anything the peoples of Africa should go back to governance pre-colonially. The west fucked up the continent in the first place with the arbitrary boundaries. Ultimately let to conflicts such as Tutsi/Hutu in Rwanda, the genocides in Darfur, etc. Obviously western style government doesn't work there.

In my view, the bigger the bureaucracy, the more corrupt and inefficient it is.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2008, 05:24:35 PM »

Quote from: pbsaurus on March 14, 2008, 05:08:41 PM

In my view, the bigger the bureaucracy, the more corrupt and inefficient it is.

Exactly.

Just watch the EU for signs of that in coming years.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2008, 05:40:00 PM »

It's already there. The larger countries are discontented with the newer smaller economies and now there's political outrage at immigration.

* pbsaurus probably reads too much of The Economist

Wunderkind · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2008, 06:15:25 PM »

Quote

We envision a new nation...

Is he really suggesting making the entire contintent of Africa one single nation?

* Wunderkind shivers

I'll withhold my sign up until AFTER the apocolypse.

Quote

The west fucked up the continent in the first place with the arbitrary boundaries

On all else, I concur with pbsaurus.

sociald1077 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2008, 08:38:10 PM »

One nation will not help the tribal warfare that is waged in Africa.

I think everything I could say has already been said better

.

Dark Shade · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:31:34 AM »

It's fixed now.

Terminator_484 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:01:35 PM »

Quote from: BizB on March 14, 2008, 05:07:10 PM

After your link is deleted, we'll debate the merits of your plea.

What is wrong with the link? It goes directly to our website; it is not an advertising ploy. It was provided for convenience only.

Quote from: BizB on March 14, 2008, 05:07:10 PM

All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

Which is why we are doing this: to stop the fighting and create at least one small corner of Africa that can finally know peace.

Quote from: pbsaurus on March 14, 2008, 05:08:41 PM

Obviously western style government doesn't work there.
In my view, the bigger the bureaucracy, the more corrupt and inefficient it is.

FedCom is not a Western-style government, and we agree that bureaucracies are to be avoided at all costs.

Quote from: Wunderkind on March 14, 2008, 06:15:25 PM

Is he really suggesting making the entire contintent of Africa one single nation?

Absolutely NOT.
FedCom is a new nation project: a separatist project. Globalization is furthest from our intent.

Quote from: sociald1077 on March 14, 2008, 08:38:10 PM

One nation will not help the tribal warfare that is waged in Africa.

Of course not, but a new nation can provide a refuge for those who want to be free from the unending bloodbath.

Quote from: Dark Shade on March 15, 2008, 02:31:34 AM

It's fixed now.

There was certainly no need to mock the link or my nation. (link removed)

If this board will not accept external links, go to Google and search for "FedCom". Our website appears on the first page: option seven, the last time I checked...

BizB · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:40:23 PM »

It's not that external links aren't allowed. The problem is that you joined this discussion forum for the single purpose of furthering YOUR cause. It would appear that you had no intention of contributing to the site in a meaningful way. If, for some odd reason you decide to stick around and contribute something worth reading, I bet the powers that be would allow you to include your silly URL in every post if you wanted to.

Now, on to your comments.

What makes you believe that you can export your style of governance to another part of the world? Nation building, from what I've seen in my short life-time, is something that must be undertaken by those who will be governed. It's not something that some group of outsiders can do on behalf of the residents.

So, you plan to take a small piece of land from an existing country on the continent? I'd love to know which existing nation is going to allow you to change their borders without bloodshed. Mind you, I didn't follow your link and I have no intention of doing so. If you want to sell me on your idea, you'll have to do it here. And, in that vein, what good is it going to do to convince me? I have no influence on the continent of Africa. Or, do you need my money? That's it... right? You want my money?

Which tribe(s) do you expect to make the journey to your new nation? How do you expect them to get there? Where do you plan for them to stay once they arrive?

I love how you call it "my nation" in your reply to Dark Shade. That makes me tingly inside.

BizB · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:50:39 PM »

HA! I just did some research on your fucked up little club and I have to say you're pathetic. You don't give a shit about the people of Africa. You never have. All you're looking for is land on the continent to claim as your own so that you can build your stupid communist utopia.

Good luck with that.

xolik · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:53:09 PM »

Quote from: BizB on March 15, 2008, 02:50:39 PM

HA! I just did some research on your fucked up little club and I have to say you're pathetic. You don't give a shit about the people of Africa. You never have. All you're looking for is land on the continent to claim as your own so that you can build your stupid communist utopia.

Good luck with that.

Who? This guy or the Free-Staters?

*runs like hell*

Wunderkind · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2008, 02:53:26 PM »

Quote from: Terminator_484 on March 15, 2008, 02:01:35 PM

...not an advertising ploy...

I may be just an annoying newbie, but this is not my first orbit around the sun.

Wait... let me see.
It looks like an advertisement.
It sounds like an advertisement when read out loud.
It even has that classical aroma of traveling-sales-man to it.
And when studied closely it just beams with good marketing technique. Yep. It must be.

Your ENTIRE post was an advertisement.

(Anything else I had to say was said already by BizB.)

xolik · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2008, 03:00:33 PM »

the problem with africa is that they don't know how to run a country clearly those darkies should just hand their land over to me because that worked out so well in the past no i'm not advocating a new country within a country but a separatist nation within a country the difference is something that i'll think up of if you give me a few minutes besides obviously we'll only let refugees in because the warlords will totally respect the boundaries of ~~my new personal empire~~ this new refugee-only nation of which i've clearly established by putting a sign on the border that says 'no warlords allowed' god do i have to explain everything to you simpleminded plebs

paypal only plz

Chris · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2008, 06:53:48 PM »

Have you been smoking the funny cigarettes, boy?

What you propose goes way above and beyond what any one group not holding any significant political power or military power can accomplish in such a worn-torn continent.

Why don't you come up with a plan to solve the Gaza Strip crisis while you're at it.

xolik · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2008, 09:37:16 PM »

Quote from: Chris on March 15, 2008, 06:53:48 PM

Why don't you come up with a plan to solve the Gaza Strip crisis while you're at it.

jew conspiracy funded by PURESTRAIN GOLD

Wunderkind · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2008, 10:26:01 PM »

Quote from: xolik on March 15, 2008, 09:37:16 PM

jew conspiracy funded by PURESTRAIN GOLD

Hasn't that one already been done before?
Or are we reversing the clandestined race in hopes of disguising the ancient history rerun for a more harmonious outcome?

xolik · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2008, 11:50:36 PM »

Don't give away all our secrets!

Whelp, time to hit the sack. Got to be up extra early in the morning tomorrow because my gay civil war re-enactment club is going to recreate the battle of manasses.

Terminator_484 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2008, 01:23:21 AM »

Condemnant quod non intellegunt

This forum states: "Serious posts regarding serious topics."
Keep your mockery to yourselves; you don't see me mocking your cultures and homelands.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2008, 05:26:47 AM »

First of all...

Quote

condemnant quod non-intellegunt

...is Latin for "they condemn because they do not understand".
Oooooo. He makes a post in another language. And I think we understand you just fine. We mock you because we DO understand you and we think you are poorly prepared and silly.
Second of all...

Quote

condemnant quod non-intellegunt

... really? Seriously? You've got to be kidding me. That's the best you could come up with? You only picked the one latin phrase than can be and has been used to defend anything and everything.

I like "Quo vadis". Or how about "verbum sat sapienti". I know... "sic semper tyrannis". Oh... wait... Virginia's already got a claim on that one, sorry. Oo... "cui bono"!! It's perfect! Of course, there's always "nihil de nihilo fit". Look! I can do it too! Here's my personal credo.

mens conscia recti

And finally...

Quote

you don't see me mocking your cultures and homelands.

Did you READ any of the posts in this forum before vomitting up a thread like this?

Actually, being Native American AND Polish, I'm inclined to tell you to join the party. However, I am reminded that, as a Polska, we kind of started the mockery trend ourselves. So I'll just stick with, being Native American, I'm inclined to tell you to join the party.
The truth is, at some point, somebody is going to mock you. Your whole, "I'm four-years-old and can't follow the conversation so I'll just stand here and stick my tongue out at anyone who voices an opinion that is not completely fabricated of my own design or that I simply do not like." Will not get you anywhere here. Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all full up here. Besides, maybe some of the stupid people will allow themselves to be bullied by your immature snobbery and spoiled-little-brat pouting.

We don't like your ill-thought-out plans and we don't want them. Grow up.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2008, 11:13:04 AM »

Quote from: Terminator_484 on March 16, 2008, 01:23:21 AM

This forum states: "Serious posts regarding serious topics."
Keep your mockery to yourselves; you don't see me mocking your cultures and homelands.

It does state that. Your ridiculous topic couldn't be considered "serious" by any thinking person.

sociald1077 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2008, 02:34:27 PM »

From your own website:

Quote

FedCom has chosen to occupy a section of roughly 17,600 km2 of equatorial rainforest adjacent to the western coast of Africa. Although FedCom claims this land, we do not at present hold any physical presence there, nor do we hold titles or deeds signifying ownership. The land in question is largely uninhabited, with only scattered tribal settlements. Its value to the existing government is minimal.

So you want to go into areas like The Congo, Zaire, or Nigeria and take 17,600 km2 of land from them? Do you have any idea of what type of bloody wars have been fought for years in these country's? Or maybe take it from the Ivory Cost, because there has never been any type of bloodshed there because of out side influence...

The idea of taking land from these countries to form your own little Jonestown is not only reckless and dangerous, but doomed to fail given the history of Africa western cost.

Terminator_484 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2008, 02:44:06 PM »

Quote from: sociald1077 on March 16, 2008, 02:34:27 PM

Do you have any idea of what type of bloody wars have been fought for years in these countries?

Yes, we are well versed in the history of the region. The Great African War is one of the reasons why we decided to go to Africa.

The territory we have selected is sheltered from these hot spots, and such activity serves to divert attention away from our activities. At the same time, we will be close enough to provide assistance to the locals, and evacuate the refugees to safety.

We have been ironing out the details and reviewing the plan for years. We know what we are doing, and accept the risks.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2008, 02:52:46 PM »

Quote

"FedCom has chosen to occupy a section of roughly 17,600 km2 of equatorial rainforest adjacent to the western coast of Africa. Although FedCom claims this land, we do not at present hold any physical presence there, nor do we hold titles or deeds signifying ownership. The land in question is largely uninhabited, with only scattered tribal settlements. Its value to the existing government is minimal."

So you want to go into areas like The Congo, Zaire, or Nigeria and take 17,600 km2 of land from them? Do you have any idea of what type of bloody wars have been fought for years in these country's? Or maybe take it from the Ivory Cost, because there has never been any type of bloodshed there because of out side influence...

The idea of taking land from these countries to form your own little Jonestown is not only reckless and dangerous, but doomed to fail given the history of Africa western cost.

What?
Who gives a shit if the value to 'existing governments' is minimal! What about the value to those 'scattered tribal settlements'?
Are you really serious? You've got to be shitting me!
I'm Ojibwe. "We were nomads once. Little gods in Big Mountains. Because we were few, they cared not for us and made us walk to where we wanted not to go." How many times have I heard my Great Aunt say this?
I don't give a flying rat's ass about the 'existing governments'. And you are NOT out to protect those settlements, so DON'T try to feed me that shit. If you were out to protect them, you'd leave them the hell alone, and stay the hell off their land!

Terminator_484 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2008, 03:06:36 PM »

Quote from: Wunderkind on March 16, 2008, 02:52:46 PM

I don't give a flying rat's ass about the 'existing governments'. And you are NOT out to protect those settlements, so DON'T try to feed me that shit. If you were out to protect them, you'd leave them the hell alone, and stay the hell off their land!

Then who would stop the rebels when they come to burn their villages, rape the women, murder the men, and kidnap the children to be forced into servitude as sex slaves or child soldiers, eh?
In northeast Congo, the women spend every night hiding in the banana trees groves to keep from being raped. They are afraid to sleep in their own homes. Rape is a weapon of war in this area.

I suppose people like YOU want these things to continue indefinitely. "Oh, it's not our war... We can't intervene, so we'll just let them get tied to a tree and disemboweled... We'll watch it on CNN, but since we can't do anything about the injustice, we'll just feel sorry for a minute, then go to McDonald's for a Big Mac."

And you speak about what is right and wrong...

News:

Recent Forum Posts

Shout Box

Author Topic: The Federated Commonwealth (FedCom) (Read 33760 times)