Then you are reading me wrong.

 
 Um, no? You remember the conversations we already had about how many millions of Muslims AREN'T violent and extremist? And how I said (over and over) that I was talking about the extremists; and was wondering why the majority was relatively silent. You have a tendency to color me one way
without taking what I actually said into consideration. Please stop. I don't think the majority of Muslims are terrorists any more than you believe all southern white males are racist, backwards redneck members of the KKK. Or that either of us believe most Christians follow texts such as Leviticus, etc.
  The difference is it is ok to point out how fucked up or bigoted or just plain retarded any of those groups are - except Islam. Why is that?
 If a significantly sized Christian group violently attacked America, and vowed to do it again and again; I would probably be just as concerned with them as well. If they were on a terror watch list, and somehow were OK'ed to rally at the White House to promote Old Testament laws be the Law of the Land; I would be irritated at that too. But I don't post those things because I dont see it happening. Except from vocal Muslims; who apparently are mostly in favour of that rather than assimilation (ie;, UK, France, Germany) 

I thought I was pretty clear that it was MY perception and that I could be misreading you.  But, you want me to stop?  Fine, I'll stop.  I am done engaging in the conversation when the topic is Muslims or Islam.

Issue?  I'm just pointing it out. There is a rally, at the White House, organized by extremists. That doesn't concern you in the slightest? If this were the KKK, I'd bet my life savings your comments would be more along the lines of how ignorant, racist and hateful that group is and what they want to do, etc. Why A L W A Y S the kid gloves with anything Islam?

First, if it was the KKK, I also would shrug and basically say, "Whatever".  The Bill of Rights is the home base that I run to on this ALWAYS.  "...the right to peaceably assemble..."  Doesn't matter how abhorrent I find an ideology, in the Unites States they (whoever "they" may be) have the right to protest.  This particular extremist group's protest doesn't concern me from a security standpoint because I know they're on watch lists the world over.

Second, it's not always kid gloves with Islam.  Truth is, Islam is something that only rarely comes up in my conversations.  I run to their defense with you specifically, because almost every time I see you post something about it/them, it's about how violent and extremist they all are.  I could totally be misreading you, but my perception is that you are bent on believing that Muslims and Islam itself are all terrorists or would-be terrorists.  I've tried to point out to you that I know many Muslims who aren't much different from you or me, and your response was basically, "sure, everyone 'knows' the peaceful ones, but why do i never hear about them on the news" (or something like that).  So in short, I defend because you attack.  I'm a sucker for the underdog.   

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358792/Anjem-Choudary-lead-White-House-protest-calling-Muslims-rise-up.html


cleric to lead White House protest calling for Muslims to 'rise up and establish Islamic state in America'

You left out this part of the article.

"However, whether the three will be able to enter the U.S., especially Izzadeen, remains to be seen. Even a tourist visa requires applicants to answer questions on whether they have been involved in acts of terrorism or plan to commit crimes in the U.S"

They only like places where humans are inactive and/or infrequent. Your bed should be a-ok.  

While that is generally true, it's not a guarantee.  Black widows have been found under the covers of the bed.  In fact, a number of years ago, a little girl died from being bitten repeatedly by a black widow that was in her bed.

12, have you considered that Obama wasn't out there just spouting his own personal opinion?  My understanding has always been that when a president speaks on foreign affairs, the words are pretty much written by the state department.  At a minimum the state department would vet any remarks prepared by the president's speech writers when it comes to foreign affairs.  I only mention it because maybe the president isn't who you should be embarassed by...maybe you should be embarassed by the entire approach to foreign policy.   

It's perfectly consistent with the current policy of interference in foreign affairs that's been the norm lately.

Oh, I'm sorry-- you were talking about Obama? These presidents all seem to run together these days.

Also ^

I don't see how it's any different than ordering troops into Iraq to topple a dictator and install a U.S. friendly democratic-type government.  Oh, wait, I do see a difference.  Obama's not actually ordering troops into Egypt to topple that dictator and install a U.S. friendly democratic-type government.  He's offering his opinion that a dictator step down now for the general good and safety of the people living in that country.

What they are trying to tell you is that you don't have enough options.

Dammit, why'd you have to give it away?  It was more fun when he didn't get it.

But owning intellectual rights to parts of the internet? Really?

Did you actually READ the article?

Looks like I'm going to be in Santa Clara for about 2 weeks at the very and of January and the first couple weeks of February.  You'll have to pencil me in for some meals.   

I get what you're saying, TD, and I totally agree with you.  I don't mean that it should be used when it's not an honest feeling.  I'm talking about a situtation where you actually do fuck up, and actually did hurt someone's feelings when you didn't intend to.

Here's a question.  Why is it that men can't just apologize??!!!!??!!  A simple, heartfelt 'I'm sorry' would totally get you fuckers off the hook, but nooooooo.  Is it genetic?  Is it something that just automatically comes with a Y chromosome?

It's a large, fiery ball at the center of our solar system, but that's not important now.