Topic: Hey Demo... (Submarine talk) (Read 4618 times)

BizB · « **on:** January 10, 2005, 12:03:59 PM »

How the hell does a nukular sub run aground in open waters? And, as a crewman, would anyone have any confidence in the guy that was in control at the time?

Does any of this situation in Guam strike you as odd?

Demosthenes · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2005, 02:29:20 PM »

Quote from: BizB

How the hell does a nukular sub run aground in open waters?

It's actually pretty easy. For one thing, there's no such thing as "open waters" when you're submerged.

There are no windows. Generally speaking GPS only works when you're surfaced.

Navigation is done by mathematics. A chart, a compass, and a stopwatch. You reference your rate of travel and direction, and you time your travel referenced to your last "known" position.

That said, it's not as complicated or inaccurate as it might sound. Every single day, countless submarines around the world do not run aground that are navigating in exactly the same way.

It does happen from time to time though, and there is one person responsible, and it's not the person at the controls.

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And, as a crewman, would anyone have any confidence in the guy that was in control at the time?

The US Navy has a policy that is non-negotiable. If you are in command of a vessel that runs aground, you are relieved of that command immediately. Period.

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Does any of this situation in Guam strike you as odd?

Not particularly. There are a lot of sandbars and reefs out there, and if you're not in the channel you think you are in, the next thing you know there is a loud crash and you get a new captain. In US Navy history, it's happened before, and it will happen again.

BizB · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2005, 02:56:50 PM »

Thanks... I knew you'd have an answer that would make sense.

I kind of assumed that it wouldn't be all that uncommon, but that it doesn't get reported because people don't get hurt/killed. But, then I thought maybe the conspiracy theorist in me was getting the best of me.

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The US Navy has a policy that is non-negotiable. If you are in command of a vessel that runs aground, you are relieved of that command immediately. Period.

Does that mean they don't get another command?

Demosthenes · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2005, 03:57:05 PM »

Not a sea-going one.

ivan · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2005, 04:22:37 PM »

Well, that's just not fair. What if he had a disadvantaged childhood? Or she? What if the stress was too high? I think these commanders should sue for millions, then write books about it.

Law · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2005, 04:48:53 PM »

I understand sand bars, etc. But how often does a sub hit a mountain head-on?

Perhaps the San Francisco is the first victim of a topologically new Pacific Ocean...

BizB · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2005, 05:06:22 PM »

I just did a GIS for "pacific ocean" and guam and came up with this disturbing picture of a scene from the Spanish American War.

If the right pant-leg is rolled up, are you a blood or a crip? Either way, it looks like this pimp to the right of the cannon is the mac daddy in charge of the posse. He's the only one worried about his pose.

If you zoom in on the picture, you can see that he's sporting a package to envy. And, that guy over on the left side of the image (helping with the 'ram-rod' [wink wink]) has see through ass region of his pants.

ivan · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2005, 05:43:36 PM »

The guy crouching (I almost typed crotching!) beneath the ramrod appears to be performing one king hell of a reacharound. Also, I admit I'm ignorant in these matters, but what's the ramrod for?

Lurch · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2005, 08:19:58 PM »

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Well, that's just not fair. What if he had a disadvantaged childhood? Or she? What if the stress was too high? I think these commanders should sue for millions, then write books about it.

The very reasons you stated above are grounds for demotion if they manifest into affecting your command. People's lives are under the Captain's direction, no room for error if it can be helped. That is why it is so hard to get a maritime command.

Crystalmonkey · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2005, 09:09:14 PM »

Quote from: Lurch

Quote from: ivan
Well, that's just not fair. What if he had a disadvantaged childhood? Or she? What if the stress was too high? I think these commanders should sue for millions, then write books about it.

The very reasons you stated above are grounds for demotion if they manifest into affecting your command. People's lives are under the Captain's direction, no room for error if it can be helped. That is why it is so hard to get a maritime command.

I think he was being sarcastic... were you Ivan? (Use a sacrasm tag if you must! [sarcasm][/sarcasm] Ugh, I hate not knowing the tone of voice when you type something.

Law · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2005, 09:39:59 PM »

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The guy crouching (I almost typed crotching!) beneath the ramrod appears to be performing one king hell of a reacharound. Also, I admit I'm ignorant in these matters, but what's the ramrod for?

I think it may actually be a swab for cleaning out the remains of the previous shell's firing.

Oh yeah: __^_

dcrog · « **Reply #11 on:** January 10, 2005, 09:52:06 PM »

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Quote from: Lurch
Quote from: ivan
Well, that's just not fair. What if he had a disadvantaged childhood? Or she? What if the stress was too high? I think these commanders should sue for millions, then write books about it.

The very reasons you stated above are grounds for demotion if they manifest into affecting your command. People's lives are under the Captain's direction, no room for error if it can be helped. That is why it is so hard to get a maritime command.

I think he was being sarcastic... were you Ivan? (Use a sacrasm tag if you must! [sarcasm][/sarcasm] Ugh, I hate not knowing the tone of voice when you type something.

Ivan has never been sarcastic. Everyone knows that.

ivan · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2005, 12:05:16 AM »

Quote from: Lurch

Quote from: ivan
Well, that's just not fair. What if he had a disadvantaged childhood? Or she? What if the stress was too high? I think these commanders should sue for millions, then write books about it.

The very reasons you stated above are grounds for demotion if they manifest into affecting your command. People's lives are under the Captain's direction, no room for error if it can be helped. That is why it is so hard to get a maritime command.

GOOD FUCKING LORD!!! I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!!

Holy shit -- do you realize THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING???

Thank you, Lurchy. You really gave me something to think about.

ivan · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2005, 12:06:46 AM »

Quote from: Law

Quote from: ivan
The guy crouching (I almost typed crotching!) beneath the ramrod appears to be performing one king hell of a reacharound. Also, I admit I'm ignorant in these matters, but what's the ramrod for?

I think it may actually be a swab for cleaning out the remains of the previous shell's firing.

Oh yeah: __^_

That makes sense.

And it makes the picture even MORE needlesy, if that were possible.

needles · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2005, 09:25:42 AM »

i don't know about you but i never give a reach around while on duty with my ram rod |>

Anonymous · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:13:34 AM »

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makes the picture even MORE needlesy, if that were possible.

Oh it's possible...

needles · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:17:55 AM »

OMFG YOU NEEDLEFIED THE SEMEN!!!!!!!!!~``````````````

needles · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:25:03 AM »

BizB · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:28:00 AM »

LMAO!

And to think I almost didn't post that picture/comment.

needles · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:32:26 AM »

yeah i don't want to live in that america.

Anonymous · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:42:53 AM »

You forgot a critical element

needles · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:48:50 AM »

Anonymous · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:52:55 AM »

LOL! Even better

needles · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2005, 10:56:38 AM »

the bonner in question is the guy at the far right.

anyways i think this thread has successfully been ran aground. i'll never get another maritime thread command at this rate.

xolik · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2005, 01:33:44 PM »

This thread is too gay for me. I'm leaving.

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