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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2006, 04:48:31 PM »
Pssshh.... Whatever, go to school and do your homework Rico. You wouldn't want to be stuck in Iraq again, would you?  :x |>
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2006, 06:36:36 PM »
Quote from: Agent_Tachyon on November 04, 2006, 10:05:50 AM
But isn't the "air" on board split from hydrogen in the water? That WOULD actually be pure oxygen.

No, air is brought with you underwater.  Not pure oxygen split from water molecules.  It's just that that air is "scrubbed" by an apparatus similar to what 12AX7 described and linked.

As for the rest of that process, I don't remember a lot of the technical details.  I studied the scrubbers as closely as I needed to get my sub-surface quals, and not any closer... it wasn't my primary job.  Most of my focus was on propulsion and ship's power generation, not auxiliaries.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2006, 08:30:54 PM »
Demo, I've got a good buddy here in San Antonio that used to be a sub guy too.  I think he was propulsion as well, actually.  Whatever it was his current job has nothing to do with nuclear power... lol   I think any military service is honorable and a great thing to do for your country.  I think the smart thing to do is to find something that'll get you a job when you get out, though.  :p  Of course, it's all what you make of it.  Any experience is good experience if you put a lot into it and word it right on your resume.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2006, 10:59:03 PM »
Quote from: Demosthenes on November 06, 2006, 06:36:36 PM
No, air is brought with you underwater.  Not pure oxygen split from water molecules.  It's just that that air is "scrubbed" by an apparatus similar to what 12AX7 described and linked.

As for the rest of that process, I don't remember a lot of the technical details.  I studied the scrubbers as closely as I needed to get my sub-surface quals, and not any closer... it wasn't my primary job.  Most of my focus was on propulsion and ship's power generation, not auxiliaries.

Oh okay thanks dude, that was bothering the hell out of me. I can't remember where I heard that nutty oxygen generation thing though.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2006, 06:49:48 PM »
Quote from: Rico on November 06, 2006, 08:30:54 PM
Demo, I've got a good buddy here in San Antonio that used to be a sub guy too.  I think he was propulsion as well, actually.  Whatever it was his current job has nothing to do with nuclear power... lol

Yeah, mine doesn't either.  I know very few ex-Navy Nukes who do anything in the private sector that stems directly from that.  I do have one buddy who I believe is still working for Virginia Power doing reactor stuff, and another who is working for a private research firm and is on his way to getting his PhD.

I, on the other hand, spurned the whole subject and am working in IT.  I think it was a better option for me, in the long run.  I don't think I'd have been happy working for a power plant, doing research (private or for the government) and I know I'd have despised being entangled in the academic community.

And that pretty much sums up what you can do with a nuclear background.  So Information Technology it is!  :D

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   I think any military service is honorable and a great thing to do for your country.  I think the smart thing to do is to find something that'll get you a job when you get out, though.  :p  Of course, it's all what you make of it.  Any experience is good experience if you put a lot into it and word it right on your resume.

Damn skippy.  I've always gotten good reactions to my Navy experience on my resume.  That's not going away any time soon.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2006, 08:20:35 PM »
going back a page, i thought what the army did with the whole "lowering standards" thing, wasnt lowering the standards to actually get in, i thought it was basic was supposed to be lighter

but hey, i guess there is a first time to be wrong.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2006, 08:26:40 PM »
Quote from: Demosthenes on November 07, 2006, 06:49:48 PM
Damn skippy.  I've always gotten good reactions to my Navy experience on my resume.  That's not going away any time soon.

If there is one thing people generalize about the military, its dependablity. A clean military record looks good because of that generaliztion. You have kinda proved you'll show up on time and do a good job. I'm not saying that this works for everyone. Its just an "in general" thing.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2006, 09:11:29 PM »
Quote from: sociald1077 on November 07, 2006, 08:26:40 PM
If there is one thing people generalize about the military, its dependablity. A clean military record looks good because of that generaliztion. You have kinda proved you'll show up on time and do a good job. I'm not saying that this works for everyone. Its just an "in general" thing.

That's at least part of it.  If you're not reliable or dependable, the military will kick your ass, up to and including an OTH (Other Than Honorable) or BCD (Bad Conduct Discharge, a.k.a. a "Big Chicken Dinner" as I've heard it referred to).

And people with OTHs and BCDs don't generally list their military experience on their resumes, because all it takes is one or two quick phone calls to find out that they didn't get an honorable discharge.

I list mine because of the reliability/dependability element, but the nuclear background makes me look SMRT.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2006, 11:28:58 PM »
Quote from: trekchick on November 07, 2006, 08:20:35 PM
going back a page, i thought what the army did with the whole "lowering standards" thing, wasnt lowering the standards to actually get in, i thought it was basic was supposed to be lighter

but hey, i guess there is a first time to be wrong.
Well then, please allow me the pleasure of informing you that you're wrong.  The army relaxed its restrictions against high-school drop-outs and increased the percentage of new recruits who are considered Category IV.  Category IV applicants are those who scored in the lowest third on the ASVAB.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2006, 04:46:15 AM »
Yeah, but they're meeting their recruiting goals now.  So it's all....well, it's all something.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2006, 10:30:47 PM »
I was just reading the Snopes what's new page and allegedly he was supposed to say "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren’t smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

But i as i was poking around Snopes and i saw something that definately made me laugh out loud.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerrysign.asp
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2006, 02:01:49 PM »
Quote from: Vespertine on November 07, 2006, 11:28:58 PM
Well then, please allow me the pleasure of informing you that you're wrong.  The army relaxed its restrictions against high-school drop-outs and increased the percentage of new recruits who are considered Category IV.  Category IV applicants are those who scored in the lowest third on the ASVAB.

There's a little more to it than that, but that's a blunt way of putting it.  The Army will allow you in if you have a GED, and now they'll even help you get it from what I hear.  The big relax in test scores is a little more complicated than just a general "must score this high to get in," though.  The Army uses a score called your GT(calculated from parts of the ASVAB) to determine what specialties you're qualified for.  Believe it or not, to be straight-leg infantry, you actually need to have a decent score.  Petrolium specialists and cooks, on the other hand don't need near the same qualifications to do their jobs.  So, they've lowered standards on many of those MOSs in order to fill them faster, that way they can move the smarter folks into more difficult jobs.  My complaint is that they've made it easier for folks to get into jobs that are too important to lower standards for.  Take my old job, for example.  When I joined, we had to take another test, beyond the ASVAB, to prove that we were capable of processing information on the level needed to perform our duties.   They no longer require that test, and the fail rate in Advanced Individual Training(AIT) shows the results.

You're still partly right, trekchick.  Standards haven't really been lowered in Basic, that I know of, but it seems like the training itself isn't as intensive as it used to be.  From what the newer guys have told me, it sounds like there's more classroom time and not as much marching and outdoors stuff as there used to be.  Plus the actual physical training isn't supposed to be as intensive as it was in the past.
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2006, 03:04:46 PM »
Quote from: Rico on November 09, 2006, 02:01:49 PM
You're still partly right, trekchick.  Standards haven't really been lowered in Basic, that I know of, but it seems like the training itself isn't as intensive as it used to be.  From what the newer guys have told me, it sounds like there's more classroom time and not as much marching and outdoors stuff as there used to be.  Plus the actual physical training isn't supposed to be as intensive as it was in the past.

Also, nominally they haven't lowered the standards in a lot of the MOS training at AIT, but -in actuality-... let's just say that I saw a lot of people graduate from 97B (counterintelligence) and 97E (interrogater) AIT who were incompetent enough that I'd fear for the safety of people who would have to work with them in a -noncombat- capacity...
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2006, 04:09:25 PM »
DoC!  How are you, my man?  Haven't seen you but the once since you left for Basic.  Doing well?

(Sorry for the thread jack :P )
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2006, 04:14:03 PM »
Quote from: Rico on November 09, 2006, 04:09:25 PM
DoC!  How are you, my man?  Haven't seen you but the once since you left for Basic.  Doing well?

(Sorry for the thread jack :P )

Moderately.

I am apparently too crazy to be in the Army, though (despite being the only remotely sane or effective person in my unit) and they sent me home.

So now I work at a college in the Classics department. I like it better. Less stupid people.

You?
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Re: john kerry's statement
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2006, 07:16:18 AM »
Quote from: DiscipleOfChaos on November 09, 2006, 04:14:03 PM
You?

Doing well, myself.  Just finished my enlistment and now contracted to the government.  Pays way better.  lol

Don't worry about the crazy part.  Most of us go crazy before too long anyway.  Think it has something to do with the forced multiple personality thing.  You know, be one guy at work, but go home and forget that guy exists and be some one else?  I'm sure other stuff doesn't help too.
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