Topic: Statement of the obvious ITT (Read 15475 times)

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #25 on:** January 02, 2008, 03:26:09 PM »

I hear you, and can even agree with you to some extent, depending on which things you think he's a loon about. But we do have checks and balances, so it's supposed to be impossible for one man to get too extremely loony, present administration notwithstanding. I also think people like to read "isolationist" as "build a big dome around America", which is really absurd. I suspect a little military isolationism would be a healthy change.

All that said, it would have to be a much different country in order for someone like Paul to get elected anyway, and I think any honest supporter of his would admit that.

BizB · « **Reply #26 on:** January 02, 2008, 03:35:31 PM »

In the end, it won't matter. I'm going to go join the Lakota tribe any way.
http://www.afriquenligne.fr/news/daily-news/lakota-indian-tribe-declares-secession-from-us-2007122113779/

Can I get an amen?

Paladin · « **Reply #27 on:** January 02, 2008, 04:47:37 PM »

Quote

Assuming you can agree with the spirit behind these two statement, your candidate should be clear, and that's Ron Paul.

That's exactly what the world needs, a president of the biggest military power that doesn't believe in evolution

Why listen to those crazy scientists on other topics then?

xolik · « **Reply #28 on:** January 02, 2008, 05:07:52 PM »

Quote from: Paladin on January 02, 2008, 04:47:37 PM

That's exactly what the world needs, a president of the biggest military power that doesn't believe in evolution

Why listen to those crazy scientists on other topics then?

I'm pretty sure we've got one of those already currently in office.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #29 on:** January 02, 2008, 05:20:06 PM »

Quote from: BizB on January 02, 2008, 03:35:31 PM

In the end, it won't matter. I'm going to go join the Lakota tribe any way.
http://www.afriquenligne.fr/news/daily-news/lakota-indian-tribe-declares-secession-from-us-2007122113779/

Can I get an amen?

Great idea, but I don't want to move to a flyover state. Can't one of the California tribes follow suit?

Paladin · « **Reply #30 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:19:07 AM »

Since i'm not an US citizen i have no say in who's going to be the next president, but i can urge you: Come on people, this time try not to elect an anti-science religious nut.

Even if it would be a pinko commie bastard that would screw the US economy (and thus probably the word's economy too), i think humanity can get over that in middle to long term, but increasing the anti-science fillings could - i fear, hoping to be wrong - tip the scales against rationalism and scientific world view for a very long time. So please, don't elect (again) somebody that talks with his invisible friend and wants to teach creationism in public schools, meanwhile cutting any research funding he can get his hands on.

But since i'll not be directly affected, it's easier for me to say "screw the economy, we got bigger things to worry about".

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #31 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:30:50 AM »

Quote from: Paladin on January 02, 2008, 04:47:37 PM

That's exactly what the world needs, a president of the biggest military power that doesn't believe in evolution

Why listen to those crazy scientists on other topics then?

I'm not sure what military power has to do with evolution exactly. He thinks Roe v Wade should be repealed too, which I disagree with, but these things have nigh zero to do with actually being the president. I really don't care who agrees with my beliefs as long as they are willing to acknowledge my freedom to keep those beliefs, and that is basically what Paul stands for above all else.

By the way, I am not actually saying that Paul should be president, or that I would even vote for him (although I probably would). i'm only saying that if you want things to be different you have to choose a leader that does things differently and has different ideas.

12AX7 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:32:15 AM »

Waaay past time for third, fourth, fifth, etc parties.

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #33 on:** January 03, 2008, 10:38:53 AM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on January 03, 2008, 10:32:15 AM

Waaay past time for third, fourth, fifth, etc parties.

Explain. I don't think anyone mentioned any 3rd parties.

Paladin · « **Reply #34 on:** January 03, 2008, 11:22:14 AM »

Power has a lot to do with evolution, even if not directly.

For one, i find it very frightening that someone who can just say "i don't believe in evolution" could be in a position to make decisions that affect all the human race. What if tomorrow he decides he doesn't believe in gravity, that it's all a plot by those european atheist that are better off nuked?
Even if this is an exaggeration, it is true that that person has a lot to say in research funding, and the power to block said funding. See my last post, i am really frightened by the trend in pop culture against rationalism and science.

And about third parties, do any of you think that a third party candidate has a chance in becoming the president? At least right now?
So if there is no chance but some people still vote for him, you get the Nader fiasco again, and another Bush-like president. Go for third-party dudes in local election, senate or whatever, but the stakes are just too high in this election. Please believe me, i've faced the same crap in the elections that i voted in.

Usually elections are a clear "lesser of two evils" choice, it seems very wrong to me to vote for a feel-good third party and by that action getting a very bad choice for president, as opposed to a slightly bad one.

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #35 on:** January 03, 2008, 11:47:31 AM »

Quote from: Paladin on January 03, 2008, 11:22:14 AM

Power has a lot to do with evolution, even if not directly.

For one, i find it very frightening that someone who can just say "i don't believe in evolution" could be in a position to make decisions that affect all the human race. What if tomorrow he decides he doesn't believe in gravity, that it's all a plot by those european atheist that are better off nuked?
Even if this is an exaggeration, it is true that that person has a lot to say in research funding, and the power to block said funding. See my last post, i am really frightened by the trend in pop culture against rationalism and science.

And about third parties, do any of you think that a third party candidate has a chance in becoming the president? At least right now?
So if there is no chance but some people still vote for him, you get the Nader fiasco again, and another Bush-like president. Go for third-party dudes in local election, senate or whatever, but the stakes are just too high in this election. Please believe me, i've faced the same crap in the elections that i voted in.

Usually elections are a clear "lesser of two evils" choice, it seems very wrong to me to vote for a feel-good third party and by that action getting a very bad choice for president, as opposed to a slightly bad one.

Explain. I don't think anyone mentioned any 3rd parties.

ivan · « **Reply #36 on:** January 03, 2008, 12:54:29 PM »

I'm still waiting for a first and second party. Maybe this weekend.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #37 on:** January 03, 2008, 12:58:06 PM »

Hey sailor, wanna party?

12AX7 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:33:21 PM »

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 03, 2008, 10:38:53 AM

Explain. I don't think anyone mentioned any 3rd parties.

I did.
I think it would be a much better system if it included a viable number of seats occupied by other than D's and R's. As it is now, one viable Other party candidate for president would still be a waste, as power is pretty much tied up between the Big Two. He wouldn't be able to get anything done. There should be more ideas and more working toward solutions instead of simply being "for" or "against" issues based solely on party alignment and continuing the back-and-forth on the same tired issues that could have been solved easily in small time.

12AX7 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 03, 2008, 04:36:30 PM »

I guess what I'm getting at is:

Quote from: xolik on November 16, 2007, 11:29:00 AM

I just can't get excited about any of the people gunning for the presidential nomination for either party. I don't fit any defined political party.

"Me either."

pbsaurus · « **Reply #40 on:** January 03, 2008, 05:52:43 PM »

A lot of us don't. I'd love for everyone to abandon the parties and for the rules to be written so that parties (especially the two that put all the ballot legislation in) didn't get any advantages. Yes a level playing field for candidates. Plus this primary thing is a huge waste of resources. If a party wants to hold a primary it should be at their expense.

12AX7 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:01:27 PM »

El Presidente pb!!

You will be a write in, as usual, I presume?

pbsaurus · « **Reply #42 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:12:05 PM »

Yeah but in order to be a write-in you have to pay fees and register with each state to have any votes counted for you. The whole system (which was legislated into law by the Ds & Rs) is stacked against anyone from a third party, independent, or potential write-in candidate. The ladder is missing rungs.

12AX7 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:13:47 PM »

What if we call the internet a tribe?

Demosthenes · « **Reply #44 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:48:21 PM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on January 03, 2008, 06:13:47 PM

What if we call the internet a tribe?

We can't. It's just a series of tubes.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #45 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:48:48 PM »

She's a beauty isn't she.

Dark Shade · « **Reply #46 on:** January 03, 2008, 06:50:41 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes on January 03, 2008, 06:48:21 PM

We can't. It's just a series of tubes.

Tribular tubes?

12AX7 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 03, 2008, 08:11:43 PM »

A one-in-a-million girl.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #48 on:** January 04, 2008, 11:45:36 AM »

Thank you, I was afraid no one would get the reference.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #49 on:** January 04, 2008, 12:39:16 PM »

I used to have "Inside Outside" on vinyl. Great album.

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