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Title: Video on Obama
Post by: livingeek on June 16, 2008, 07:40:35 PM
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 (http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036)

I don't agree with the video and actually responded to the person who sent this to me with a very long email on what I didn't like about it.  Just wanted to get some discussion going in this forum and see what everyone else thinks.  I hope I don't cause any blood shed. 

Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 17, 2008, 09:58:56 AM
Please post your objections here.  I'm interested.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: ivan on June 17, 2008, 12:34:17 PM
Quote from: livingeek on June 16, 2008, 07:40:35 PM
Just wanted to get some discussion going in this forum and see what everyone else thinks. 

I think Iron Man is one of the best movies made this century.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 17, 2008, 12:56:11 PM
you speak truth.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: ivan on June 17, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
Frankly, I was amazed.

Did you stay for the secret scene at the end of the credits?
 
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 17, 2008, 01:01:52 PM
No, but I did see the naked lady by the bus in the scene where he was lifting the SUV.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: ivan on June 17, 2008, 01:08:43 PM
I'll buy the DVD just to see that.

The secret scene after the credits has Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury, Director of SHIELD.

Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 17, 2008, 01:21:13 PM
Yeah, I heard about it and I saw it on ewetewb, but I didn't stay for it.  The naked woman may have been a figment of my imagination.  I was high on banana skittles at the time.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: TheJudge on June 17, 2008, 01:25:29 PM
Too bad they had to bring Samuel in this. Seriously, what's am I missing? He's not particularly fit for these sort of roles.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: sociald1077 on June 17, 2008, 01:28:45 PM
Since when is Nick Fury a black guy? Nothing against Mr. Jackson (best cusser in Hollywood), but he just isn't Nick Fury.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: ivan on June 17, 2008, 01:59:36 PM
Stan Lee and Marvel have retrofitted the Nick Fury character to fit SJ.

Does anyone remember who played Nick Fury on TV?

Hint: It wasn't Yasmine Bleeth.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: ivan on June 17, 2008, 02:01:56 PM
Here ya go: click, motherfucker! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury)
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: livingeek on June 17, 2008, 02:03:11 PM
Quote from: BizB on June 17, 2008, 09:58:56 AM
Please post your objections here.  I'm interested.

Basically I said to him that this is a video obviously directed towards conservatives.  That you could do the same thing on McCain (obviously with different content) and send it out to a lot of liberals and you would get the same thing.  I also said how much I hate how big of a deal his name is.  It's just a name.  It doesn't represent what he believes. 

Now with the church is definitely a black mark on the guy and I know that.  But he did leave the church, and I wouldn't be surprised if his pastor was using Obama's publicity as a way to spout off his own politics. 

I am an independent and I hate to see stuff like this.  Basically why I don't like getting involved in politics most of the time.  It's just too much BS about people that one side believes as truth when the exact same thing is happening on the other side.  I support Obama in these elections because I think he is the lesser of the two evils.  He at least represents change to me compared to McCain wanting the same things to continue.  However now the person who sent this to me marks me as a liberal and was actually kind of offensive when he sent me the video.  Just ticks me off.  I like the policies the game claims he wants to uphold.  I don't care about his religion, his name, his parents religion, or what somebody decides to hang in Houston. 

Oh and it's not unpatriotic to not have your hand over your heart.  That is only for the pledge and many other leaders have not placed hand on heart during the anthem.  Also I think putting the flag on a pin is just as bad as putting on underwear. 

Also I have yet to see Iron Man  :-(
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: ivan on June 17, 2008, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: livingeek on June 17, 2008, 02:03:11 PM
Basically I said to him that this is a video obviously directed towards conservatives.  That you could do the same thing on McCain (obviously with different content) and send it out to a lot of liberals and you would get the same thing. 

Your logic needs a little cleaning up. This video is not directed towards conservatives -- they already mistrust Obama because he's a liberal. The video is an attempt to smear Obama as a manchurian candidate, to seed the liberal camp with doubt. The only way you can parallel that with McCain is to propose (perhaps preposterously) that he was brainwashed in Hanoi Hilton and is a ticking timebomb waiting to be activated.

Telefon.

Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 17, 2008, 02:41:23 PM
Attacking him based on his name is legitimate because your average American sports a 10th grade education and a 3rd grade reading level.  If you want to reach a particular audience, you have to relate to them on their level.  Further, he does have not one, not two, but three Muslim names.  So there.

I can't believe that you fell for him "leaving the church"!  Go back and look at WHY he said he left the church.  He didn't denounce anything that Rev Wright said.  He left the church because too much attention was being brought upon the members of the church.  He sat in the pew (pew (http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/15/pew-pew-pew-2/) pew (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-skunks-pew-pew-pew.jpg) pew (http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-pews-pewing.jpg)) for twenty years listening to that man spew his hatred and vitriol.  He stood before that man and recited his wedding vows.  He allowed that man to baptize his children.  I'm waiting for someone to ask him VERY specific questions about the things that Wright said and ask him how he believes.

The flag pin thing is weak and a stupid issue.  As is the hand over the heart thing.  I don't put a pink ribbon on the back of my car but that doesn't mean that I hate B(.)(.)Bies!

Also, go see Iron Man.  It's worth full price.  Hell, it's worth paying extra to see it in the director's hall (if your theater sports such a room).
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: xolik on June 17, 2008, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: livingeek on June 17, 2008, 02:03:11 PM

Oh and it's not unpatriotic to not have your hand over your heart. 

Is it when only one of your fingers is raised?
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: livingeek on June 18, 2008, 11:00:49 AM
@ ivan:

I don't know what I gathered from the video is that they aren't attempting to market to the conservatives they can already count on, but the more moderate conservatives/swing votes.  People that aren't dead set on voting Republican this year.  Although good point about spreading doubt in the liberal camp. Although it may have caused more doubt in liberals if it didn't use so many shots from Fox News. 

@ BizB:

I feel that him leaving a church is a pretty strong statement, but under the terms I can see why it would be for the church more than him.  I to am interested in seeing what he has to say about what he believes regarding the preachings.  Definitely be interesting to hear what he has to say.  Although with how well spoken he is most of the time I bet he has something already planned for that question. 


No our theater doesn't sport a director's hall, but now that I have read up on that I wish it did. 
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 18, 2008, 11:06:19 AM
He's only articulate when he's reading something that was prepared for him.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: livingeek on June 18, 2008, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: BizB on June 18, 2008, 11:06:19 AM
He's only articulate when he's reading something that was prepared for him.

Exactly what I meant by having something ready.  I'm sure he's already had meetings memorizing exactly what to say to those questions. 
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: sociald1077 on June 18, 2008, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: BizB on June 18, 2008, 11:06:19 AM
He's only articulate when he's reading something that was prepared for him.

Well thats a step up from the current president.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: hexjunkie on June 20, 2008, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: livingeek on June 16, 2008, 07:40:35 PM
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036 (http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036)


Propaganda!!!

Simply put its using broken logic to show Obama in a bad light. Is it a coincidence that most educated Americans prefer Obama to Hillary? With the same logic we can now say that only stupid people back Hillary? Broken Logic is just that, Broken. It would be my hope that a majority of American's do not believe all of this. Just for the record it is only customary to put your hand over your heart during the Pledge of Allegiance not during the National Anthem. So in actuality would it be Hillary and Edwards who are at fault for not knowing American customs and understanding when to and not to cover your heart?

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: 12AX7 on June 20, 2008, 12:57:10 PM
Quote from: hexjunkie on June 20, 2008, 11:56:45 AM
most educated Americans prefer Obama to Hillary
They all told you this? Sources, please.

Quote from: hexjunkie on June 20, 2008, 11:56:45 AM
Just for the record it is only customary to put your hand over your heart during the Pledge of Allegiance not during the National Anthem. So in actuality would it be Hillary and Edwards who are at fault for not knowing American customs and understanding when to and not to cover your heart?

Just for the record you're totally wrong. So is Obama.

 
UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 36
CHAPTER 10
PATRIOTIC CUSTOMS

§ 170. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner.
§ 171. Conduct during playing. 
§ 172. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery. 
§ 173. Display and use of flag by civilians; codification of rules and customs; definition. 
§ 174. Time and occasions for display. 
§ 175. Position and manner of display. 
§ 176. Respect for flag. 
 
§170. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner
The composition consisting of the words and music known as The Star-Spangled Banner is
designated the national anthem of the United States of America. 
 
§171. Conduct during playing
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in
uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in
uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the
hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note
of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those
present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were
displayed there. 
 
§172. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, 
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for
which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”, 
should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart.
When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the
left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the
flag, and render the military salute. 


Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: livingeek on June 20, 2008, 01:36:44 PM
OMG all those people I called communists for not acting properly during the national anthem, and now I realize I am that communist.

Seriously I am surprised they have a code of conduct.  While that code states what you should do, I do not believe that a majority of people feel that way.  Look at anywhere you go when the anthem is playing and most do not follow this fully.  Customs can change I guess. 
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 20, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
Clearly you've never been to a NASCAR event.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: livingeek on June 20, 2008, 02:21:26 PM
Something tells me there is more to this that I need to hear. 

And you would be right I have not been to a NASCAR event.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: dcrog on June 20, 2008, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: livingeek on June 20, 2008, 02:21:26 PM
And you would be right I have not been to a NASCAR event.

Damn commies are getting in everywhere.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: sociald1077 on June 20, 2008, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: dcrog on June 20, 2008, 03:20:54 PM
Damn commies are getting in everywhere.

Can we please leave the cold war behind us? The new blanket term is "unpatriotic." As in you are unpatriotic for even discussing such things and I'll see you in Guantanamo.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: The_FOO on June 20, 2008, 09:49:50 PM
I still prefer mutant commie traitor.

All hail the computer! The computer is our friend.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: 12AX7 on June 20, 2008, 11:05:00 PM
He could at the very least pretend to respect the customs of the country he's asking to get to be in charge of. Whether he believes it makes any difference where his hand is or not is not the point. It IS a custom. If it was some small nation in Africa, and the custom required a certain garb be worn, but he refused to wear it; they would probably be offended, and everyone would understand perfectly why. Why is this issue any different? It has nothing to do with any religion; it is some modicum of respect to those who have sacrificed so you can have what you have, and of the idea and dream behind this nation. It is certainly not a massive burden to place on someone to have them place their hand over their measly heart on only two special occassions.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: The_FOO on June 20, 2008, 11:24:29 PM
Maybe he doesn't have a heart?
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: BizB on June 21, 2008, 11:11:49 AM
Oh, but he would follow that custom.
(http://dontvoteobama.net/images/Obama%20In%20Dashiki%20small.jpg)
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: 12AX7 on June 21, 2008, 11:51:05 AM
That was why I chose that example, actually.
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: xolik on June 21, 2008, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: BizB on June 21, 2008, 11:11:49 AM
Oh, but he would follow that custom.
(http://dontvoteobama.net/images/Obama%20In%20Dashiki%20small.jpg)

I'm sure he has no problems honoring customs and traditions as long as they aren't American. See, that's how you know how openminded and tolerant he is.  :roll:
Title: Re: Video on Obama
Post by: The_FOO on June 21, 2008, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: xolik on June 21, 2008, 04:36:26 PM
I'm sure he has no problems honoring customs and traditions as long as they aren't American. See, that's how you know how openminded and tolerant he is.  :roll:

(http://dontvoteobama.net/images/Obama%20In%20Dashiki%20small.jpg)

That's not even him! That's R. Kelly!