Topic: Kerry: "I'm running for president because..." (Read 21203 times)

Binoboy · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2004, 10:13:20 AM »

This is how most people vote. That's just how it is.
If everyone voted their principles, it'd be anarchy I say!!1!!11!11

The_FOO · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2004, 10:26:18 AM »

Way back when I was too young to actually vote, and reading too much SF for my own good, I read something Heinlein wrote (Probably in Time Enough for Love/The Notebooks of Lazarus Long) that went something like: There may not be someone/thing you want to vote for, but there is almost certainly someone/thing you want to vote against.

The_FOO · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2004, 10:34:35 AM »

Found it! http://scifiweb.misto.cz/_MAIL_/autori/heinlein/citaty_en.html

If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for...but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong. If this is too blind for your taste, consult some well-meaning fool (there is always one around) and ask his advice. Then vote the other way. This enables you to be a good citizen (if such is your wish) without spending the enormous amount of time on it that truly intelligent exercise of franchise requires.

Scuzzy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2004, 02:26:51 PM »

Quote from: xolik

I find it a bit disturbing that so many people will vote for somebody just because that person is 'not bush' instead of voting for that person because of where he stands on issues.

Thats good in theory but Bush fucked up so badly That people want to got on the other side of the spectrum so he doesn't continue his evil ways...evilll..

Law · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2004, 08:27:45 PM »

Quote from: Scuzzy

Quote from: xolik
I find it a bit disturbing that so many people will vote for somebody just because that person is 'not bush' instead of voting for that person because of where he stands on issues.

Thats good in theory but Bush fucked up so badly That people want to got on the other side of the spectrum so he doesn't continue his evil ways...evilll..

Thus, reinforcing Xolik's statement...

Demosthenes · « **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:11:35 AM »

When you vote for the "lesser of two evils", that still means you're voting for evil.

Vote for the person you want to be president. Don't just vote against someone.

And be informed before going, ferfucksake. If you can't be bothered to at least read about the candidates' positions on the issues (and I mean at least three or four candidates, not just the Demoblican and the Republicrat candidates), then don't bother showing up on election day. An uninformed vote is FAR WORSE than no vote at all.

Law · « **Reply #31 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:35:51 AM »

Vote Smart.

hackess · « **Reply #32 on:** July 19, 2004, 10:41:45 AM »

Quote from: Demosthenes

And be informed before going, ferfucksake. If you can't be bothered to at least read about the candidates' positions on the issues (and I mean at least three or four candidates, not just the Demoblican and the Republicrat candidates), then don't bother showing up on election day. An uninformed vote is FAR WORSE than no vote at all.

This feels like deja vu...

Demosthenes · « **Reply #33 on:** July 19, 2004, 10:42:09 AM »

I love that site. Good linkage, L4\/\/y3r.

reimero · « **Reply #34 on:** July 19, 2004, 11:01:11 AM »

Quote from: Demosthenes

When you vote for the "lesser of two evils", that still means you're voting for evil.

Vote for the person you want to be president. Don't just vote against someone.

And be informed before going, ferfucksake. If you can't be bothered to at least read about the candidates' positions on the issues (and I mean at least three or four candidates, not just the Demoblican and the Republicrat candidates), then don't bother showing up on election day. An uninformed vote is FAR WORSE than no vote at all.

That's EXACTLY how I feel. I get sick and tired of people bashing me for exercising my right not to vote for a particlar office because I don't feel any of the candidates deserve my vote. I look at GWB and go "eeewwww." I look at Kerry and go "eeeewwwww." I look at Nader and go, "didn't make the ballot, so is a write-in even worth it?" I look at the ballot and go, "only Bush and Kerry. EEeewwww."

I believe in voting for someone, not against. Use your "against" voting in the primaries, if you must.

Nowledge · « **Reply #35 on:** July 19, 2004, 11:10:15 AM »

I've got hacker tatoos, I live in other countries, I smoke pot, I listen to Rock N Roll and Jazz, and I write with my left hand (not sure if that adds shit but eh) so I should be for Nader but when it comes down to it I'm not really for Nader as much I am against Bush and for that Fact I vote Kerry. If Kerry sucks then I'll deal with that next but I'm of the philosophy of Baby Steps with my government right now.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #36 on:** July 19, 2004, 11:37:15 AM »

This isn't surprising

very interesting

very interesting

Why have they refused?

However he has taken the time to state his positions

I've been using this site since Law made me aware of it last year. Good stuff.

Law · « **Reply #37 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:03:38 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes

I love that site. Good linkage, L4\/\/y3r.

Thanks. I used to work for them back in the day.

As for refusing the NPAT, a lot of candidates do now for some reason. Clinton was the first Presidential candidate to complete one. A lot of Congressional candidates used to refuse because they accused us of crafting answers that were "too black and white."

Apparently, if we left more grey room more candidates would answer. I guess it comes down to they don't want to be pigeonholed on a particular answer.

Although some candidates answer the NPAT that we wished hadn't. Some of the shit was scary. My favourite candidate had to be the guy from Hawai'i that was told to run for President by RFK so that he could appropriate part of the Defense budget to build a landing field on Oahu for the alien crafts that were bringing RFK, MLK and Elvis back to Earth.

That was long before we were able to put all the candidate info on a website, so we only gave information by phone. Sadly nobody ever called to get that guy's positions.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #38 on:** July 19, 2004, 12:08:41 PM »

I'd love to vote for a guy like that!

Rico · « **Reply #39 on:** July 19, 2004, 08:20:09 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes

Vote for the person you want to be president. Don't just vote against someone.

We disagree about a lot of things, but not on that. Voting for anyone just because you don't like the other guy is like saying that you don't care enough to investigate.

Nowledge · « **Reply #40 on:** July 20, 2004, 09:48:27 AM »

Quote from: Rico

Quote from: Demosthenes
Vote for the person you want to be president. Don't just vote against someone.

We disagree about a lot of things, but not on that. Voting for anyone just because you don't like the other guy is like saying that you don't care enough to investigate.

That's true but I think a lot of people like Kerry and use that phrasing as an excuse to not really having the information to talk about Kerry. I like Kerry but he's really a unamazing person, the only really validation for the democrats was Edwards for me, I think he's fantastic.

MISTER MASSACRE · « **Reply #41 on:** July 20, 2004, 02:47:02 PM »

I'd rather vote for the lesser of two evils (as long as I'm informed of what that lesser evil entails) than allow the larger evil to go uncontested. Think of it as a clumsy metaphor:

A man with a gun approaches you. He tells you that you can either be shot in the face or in the leg. Obviously you wish to avoid being shot at all, but this is not an option. If you don't make a choice he will shoot you in the face.

Ralph Nader is the garbage can lid you can pick up to attempt to deflect the shot to the face.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #42 on:** July 20, 2004, 02:56:30 PM »

I for one will never condone being shot at all.

*picks up mailbox next to Nader to try and knoxx0r gun from asshole's hand*

xolik · « **Reply #43 on:** July 20, 2004, 03:12:31 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes

I for one will never condone being shot at all.

*picks up mailbox next to Nader to try and knoxx0r gun from asshole's hand*

OMG!!1! U librals dOnt respekt mah second ammenment rightz!1!!1!

Sorry, it couldn't be helped.

Law · « **Reply #44 on:** July 20, 2004, 08:10:20 PM »

Quote from: xolik

Quote from: Demosthenes
I for one will never condone being shot at all.

*picks up mailbox next to Nader to try and knoxx0r gun from asshole's hand*

OMG!!1! U librals dOnt respekt mah second ammenment rightz!1!!1!

Sorry, it couldn't be helped.

OMFG! They let your people have rights too?!?

Demosthenes · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2004, 07:58:14 AM »

Who? Californians?

No. They don't.

*pushes Xolik back into the mall*

Rico · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2004, 11:54:16 PM »

Quote from: Nowledge

That's true but I think a lot of people like Kerry and use that phrasing as an excuse to not really having the information to talk about Kerry. I like Kerry but he's really a unamazing person, the only really validation for the democrats was Edwards for me, I think he's fantastic.

Some, perhaps, I'm not sure about "a lot." While various members of these forums will be voting for Kerry, I'm sure, I have no problem with that as I know they're not doing it because everyone else is, or some other lame reason. To many people allow themselves to be swayed by the BS around them.

Why I won't vote for Kerry can easily be summed up in two phrases.

One, I haven't heard him speak a lot, but in what I HAVE heard, I hear ideas and no solutions. It's easy to say that we should or shouldn't do something, but what's your alternative plan?

Two, I find it hard to vote for some one that was a part of an organization which plotted the assassination of key political leaders. The system doesn't work, so kill them, or we could run for office and work with them? No thank, you.

Yes, of course I have my problems with our current leadership. No one is perfect, but having a Republican President is good for the military, for one. HR 100 just got signed, increasing the benefits of the Soldiers and Sailors Act. If nothing else, the war in Iraq has demonstrated some serrious flaws in our current military system. I think that Bush will be better than Kerry at helping us work those kinks out.

I'm not expecting acts of God here, though. No matter who wins, it's going to be tough for the nation as a whole, and not just the military. All any of us can do is take a serrious look at what needs doing and pick who we believe will help most with it. That's how you vote, not by saying, "Well, he didn't do too well. I'll choose the other guy."

Law · « **Reply #47 on:** July 22, 2004, 08:06:11 AM »

Quote from: Rico

Two, I find it hard to vote for some one that was a part of an organization which plotted the assassination of key political leaders. The system doesn't work, so kill them, or we could run for office and work with them? No thank, you.

I'm sorry, which candidate are you talking about?

Demosthenes · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2004, 08:26:36 AM »

Quote from: Law

Quote from: Rico
Two, I find it hard to vote for some one that was a part of an organization which plotted the assassination of key political leaders. The system doesn't work, so kill them, or we could run for office and work with them? No thank, you.

I'm sorry, which candidate are you talking about?

Nowledge · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2004, 09:39:32 AM »

Quote from: Rico

Why I won't vote for Kerry can easily be summed up in two phrases.

One, I haven't heard him speak a lot, but in what I HAVE heard, I hear ideas and no solutions. It's easy to say that we should or shouldn't do something, but what's your alternative plan?

Two, I find it hard to vote for some one that was a part of an organization which plotted the assassination of key political leaders. The system doesn't work, so kill them, or we could run for office and work with them? No thank, you.

Yes, of course I have my problems with our current leadership. No one is perfect, but having a Republican President is good for the military, for one. HR 100 just got signed, increasing the benefits of the Soldiers and Sailors Act. If nothing else, the war in Iraq has demonstrated some serrious flaws in our current military system. I think that Bush will be better than Kerry at helping us work those kinks out.

I'm not expecting acts of God here, though. No matter who wins, it's going to be tough for the nation as a whole, and not just the military. All any of us can do is take a serrious look at what needs doing and pick who we believe will help most with it. That's how you vote, not by saying, "Well, he didn't do too well. I'll choose the other guy."

Alright then...

One: That paragraph is self defeating, I'm pretty sure I don't even have to explain it so let's just skip it.

Two: I gotta admit I'm not quite sure what you're reffering to here but if this statement is aimed at the Democratic party it's so hugely one sided that I have a headache. Democrats are no saints and I don't even call myself one but to refer to a violence streak in that party and not refer to the Elephant with a tommy gun at the end of the table is a little ludicrous. Again, its not worthing arguing because even Republicans admit to being the most violent (ie War, death penalty, enviroment..).

Third: You're army is not doing as well as you think, do you know thats estimated that over 30% of Soldier deaths in Iraq are related to poor equipment and armor. This comes from cuts from your not-so-perfect President's administration, I'll admit under Clinton we didn't exactly give them laser guns but if you look at the statistics in equipment and after planning the entire thing was a success.

I do agree with your process of decision on choosing who you vote for but not knowing what Kerry is saying is negating know-thy-enemy, I take it quite seriously to listen to Bush and if I dislike him still then I'm concrete on my beliefs for the right reasons.

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