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• (January 12, 2023, 01:18:11 AM)

[TeraHammer]

We share it equally

[Min]

Wait, now we're feeding the whole world?  I'm sorry, I'm not busting my ass and neither is that millionaire, to feed people in other countries.  They need to learn to feed themselves.

We need to teach them and allow them to be able to feed themselves.

That's what I meant, I think.  I'd much rather teach a man to fish than give him a fish every day.

[ivan]

I'm a registered Libertarian. It is a futile gesture. I expect neither Libertarian candidates nor Libertarian ideals to make much headway in my lifetime. But it's what I believe in. Those of you who know me won't be surprised to learn that I arrived at this point of view from a rather extreme left-wing world-view. I imbibed Marxism with my mother's milk, and am not at all a defector from those ideals.

If we keep the goal of any economic philosophy in mind (a good life for a great majority of society, or at least for those who ascribe to the philosophy), the distinctions between left and right fall away. Politics belong on the road to universal prosperity; universal prosperity itself has no politics. The Libertarian utopia is identical to the Christian utopia is identical to the Communist utopia is identical to the Capitalist utopia. By definition, by the time we have achieved a true Libertarian society, the problem of feeding the poor will have been solved somewhere along the road.

What bothers most people about Libertarianism is that it does not offer plans for solving hunger or poverty or illiteracy. But then, neither does Capitalism ("trickle down" is not a plan). And while Socialism offers plans, it has been grievously inadequate in their execution. So rather than offer false promisses no economic system can deliver on, Libertarianism simply restores dignity to the human animal. When people are treated like children, they act like children. When people are treated like adults, they do some pretty amazing things.

Some people become more cynical of human nature as they grow older; for me, that cynicism was nothing more than youthful posturing. As an adult, I see not the selfishness of the human animal, but the astounding degree of humanity he exhibits. I see random acts of kindness everywhere I look. If our political system acknowledged the underlying fiber of nobility that is part of human nature, rather than squander it as it does now, hunger would be on the run.

Libertarianism is as contrary to the oligarchic Capitalist system we live under as it is to any totalitarian society. That's why I say membership in the Libertarian party is a futile gesture: as radical as it is philosophically, it does not advocate revolution. Libertarianism is about how government treats -- or does not treat -- citizens. It is absurd to think of supplanting any government with a Libertarian state by coup. The Libertarian revolution will happen quietly and bloodlessly in our minds and in our hearts.

[xolik]

1.   Japan   69%   

So looks like that trip to Japan is off. I thought they'd be more 'okey-dokey' with the homos, considering I've seen how some of their men dress.

I can't help but notice China wasn't on the list. Wonder where they stand on that issue?

[BizB]

We share it equally

Interesting.  Don't you think that the people living in that room with more ability to pay should be forced to pay more than the people who aren't quite so able?

[ivan]

We share it equally

Interesting.  Don't you think that the people living in that room with more ability to pay should be forced to pay more than the people who aren't quite so able?

They are students in a dorm. They are all equally parasites.

[pbsaurus]

And lets kill all gays...

No the gays are beneficial to society.  They have much lower breeding rates and hence are not a drain on the system.

[BizB]

And lets kill all gays...

No the gays are beneficial to society.  They have much lower breeding rates and hence are not a drain on the system.

Yea!  Save the gays!   Save the gays!  Save the gays!  Save the gays!  Save the gays!  Save the gays!

[TeraHammer]

We share it equally

Interesting.  Don't you think that the people living in that room with more ability to pay should be forced to pay more than the people who aren't quite so able?

Nope, because everybody here uses the internet. Besides, our incomes don't differ a lot either since we're all students. But say 1 can't afford it. Would I be willing to pay the extra sum, together with my other roommates? Hmm, I dont thinks so, especially if he is going to use it aswell. Mind you, we are talking about the internet, a luxury good.

Taking bread, I think if he temporarily can't afford that, I wouldnt make a fuss about paying some, be it with a loan. But if he keeps continues, I wouldnt give him untill he has a job to pay it with.

[ivan]

Hmm, I dont thinks so, especially if he is going to use it aswell.

Good word.

"Even while my heart was awash with grief, my head was aswell with lust."

Beauty!

[BizB]

We share it equally

Interesting.  Don't you think that the people living in that room with more ability to pay should be forced to pay more than the people who aren't quite so able?

Nope, because everybody here uses the internet. Besides, our incomes don't differ a lot either since we're all students. But say 1 can't afford it. Would I be willing to pay the extra sum, together with my other roommates? Hmm, I dont thinks so, especially if he is going to use it aswell. Mind you, we are talking about the internet, a luxury good.

Taking bread, I think if he temporarily can't afford that, I wouldnt make a fuss about paying some, be it with a loan. But if he keeps continues, I wouldnt give him untill he has a job to pay it with.

Regardless of the further argument, you've already presented a case against living your life in a purely socialist way.

For fun... You say it's a luxury item.  I say it's a requirement for daily life, especially if he's to be a good student.  Hell, I'd guess that the majority of dorm rooms across the world are connected to the internet in one way or another.

But, let's assume that you're being fair in your assessment that internet access is a luxury item.  Now, let's pretend that one of your roommates comes into a better job or something and suddenly he wants to upgrade to a faster connection.  He announces that he is no longer interested in participating in the group rate line and he has installed a T1 of his own.  This leaves a greater burden on the other 4 roomies.  Should he be allowed to make this selfish upgrade and exclude the four of you from using it?

[TeraHammer]

Nope, since it is all settled in our contract not to change it  

But if it werent, he wouldnt become very popular and would be likely be set out of the house fast.

[WASABI]

If you say that Internet connection is a luxury item for a modern-day student, then you have to admit that anything but the most basic food necesities are a luxury item.

Hey, why do you say you need a roof? There are plenty of bridges to live under, if you can just find enough cardboard.

[TeraHammer]

Nearly every university has internet on which the student has access to, not?

[WASABI]

Nearly every university has internet on which the student has access to, not?

Not mine. Advanced students, maybe. First year students, no.

[BizB]

So, the contract says you cannot change the connection.  What if he wanted to upgrade to the T1 and allow you to use it at no  additional charge (compared to your current costs).  Would that be okay with you?  Surely you'd allow that, right?

[dur-ril]

Not mine. Advanced students, maybe. First year students, no.

keep in mind where you live…

[TeraHammer]

Then I think internet isnt really needed to study at your universite, is it?

edit: I see that it depends on where you live. But, if an university doesnt offer internet, it should not demand internet use to complete the study, and therefore it stays luxury.

[WASABI]

Then I think internet isnt really needed to study at your universite, is it?

edit: I see that it depends on where you live. But, if an university doesnt offer internet, it should not demand internet use to complete the study.

No, they don't *demand* it. They don't demand you have paper and pencil to take notes at class, either.

[TeraHammer]

So, the contract says you cannot change the connection.  What if he wanted to upgrade to the T1 and allow you to use it at no  additional charge (compared to your current costs).  Would that be okay with you?  Surely you'd allow that, right?

Sure, offcourse, if everyone in the house gets that free upgrade, why not eh?

[TeraHammer]

Then I think internet isnt really needed to study at your universite, is it?

edit: I see that it depends on where you live. But, if an university doesnt offer internet, it should not demand internet use to complete the study.

No, they don't *demand* it. They don't demand you have paper and pencil to take notes at class, either.

What I mean with demand internet use is, that they offer study material in such a way you need the internet to get it. Seeing as your university hasnt got all around internet access, I think this is not the case with you. And therefore the internet is a luxury good for your type of study.

On my side, we get maillings of teachers, study schemes, practise execises sometimes which only can be downloaded via the internet. We can also acces the internet nearly everywhere on the university grounds, so having it at home is still a luxury.

[jeee]

1.   Japan   69%   

So looks like that trip to Japan is off. I thought they'd be more 'okey-dokey' with the homos, considering I've seen how some of their men dress.

I can't help but notice China wasn't on the list. Wonder where they stand on that issue?

No Idea, there are only countries on the list of which they have exact figures. I doubt that China will be very low on the list.

[GenStyx]

1.   Japan   69%   

So looks like that trip to Japan is off. I thought they'd be more 'okey-dokey' with the homos, considering I've seen how some of their men dress.

I can't help but notice China wasn't on the list. Wonder where they stand on that issue?

No Idea, there are only countries on the list of which they have exact figures. I doubt that China will be very low on the list.

I seem to remember an over-population problem and a 1 child mandate. I think homosexuality might be encouraged  
Also, due to many Chinese desire to have a boy as opposed to a girl for their child, there is a significant offset in the male to female ratio. The ratio is changed for many reason besides preference including selective abortions and a large output of female adoptions to other countries.

[Demosthenes]

In reply to Vespertine, I completely agree that economic inequallities are good to encourage succeeding. However, I don't mind if a certain percentage of my and everybody else's income would go to cases where it is absolutely needed.

Do what you want with yours.  However, you have no right to dictate where anybody else's income goes.  

You can't just spend somebody else's money.  That is one of the most selfish things I've ever heard of.

Note what I said about waiving your right to the moral high road before.  

[jeee]

Demo, out of curiousity. What do you have to pay then ? nothing for health insurance or unemployment risk or things like that ?. Or is that the responsibilty of the individual and therefor you arrange these things privately ?