The Geek Forum

  • May 11, 2024, 10:58:21 PM
  • Welcome, Guest
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Due to the prolific nature of these forums, poster aggression is advised.

*

Recent Forum Posts

Shout Box

Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 129628
  • Total Topics: 7187
  • Online Today: 158
  • Online Ever: 1013
  • (January 12, 2023, 01:18:11 AM)
Pages: 1 [2]

Author Topic: Will there ever be an end to how much we can discover?  (Read 7211 times)

TeraHammer

  • Troll
  • *
  • Coolio Points: +49/-3
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 259
    • View Profile
Re: Will there ever be an end to how much we can discover?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2006, 09:19:06 PM »

Women.

People can be rebuilt

Quote from: ivan
if everything is known, what is there to live for? Inquiry is a primal human life force.
I agree, I would hate to live in a 'finished' world, but that's another discussion.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2006, 09:24:13 PM by TeraHammer »
Logged
Fanatics are the first to betray their beliefs in order to defend it.

Crystalmonkey

  • Nazi Absinthe Drinker
  • Hacker
  • ****
  • Coolio Points: +167/-3
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 1515
    • View Profile
Re: Will there ever be an end to how much we can discover?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2006, 01:42:44 AM »

It's a specific form of philosophy called Empiricism, actually.

Definitions of empiricism on the Web:

    * the claim that all knowledge or all meaningful discourse about the world is related to sensory experience or observation. Logical empiricism (or logical positivism) combined modern logical analysis with the demands of empiricism and was most famous for its verificationist theory of meaning.
      www.filosofia.net/materiales/rec/glosaen.htm

    * The proposition that the only source of true knowledge is experience. Search for knowledge through experiment and observation. Denial that knowledge can be obtained a priori.
      www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm

    * In its strong form, the thesis that there is no knowable reality behind appearances. Thus, it is the job of science to catalog the formal relations which hold between appearances without claims of describing reality. See phenomenalism <Discussion> <References> Chris Eliasmith
      www.artsci.wustl.edu/~philos/MindDict/E.html

    * the acceptance of sense experience as the source and test of truth.
      www.willdurant.com/glossary.htm

    * (philo.) - A belief that experience alone is the source of all knowledge.
      www.reasoned.org/glossary.htm

    * Branch of philosophy which sees all knowledge as being based in experience -- for example, the experience of the senses -- as distinct from theory or logic.
      www.adamranson.freeserve.co.uk/critical%20concepts.htm

    * reliance on observable and quantifiable data.
      farahsouth.cgu.edu/dictionary/
Logged
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." - Anonymous

"Sadly, computers don't have rights, so moral arguments aside, I'm afraid it's quite legal to run Windows on them." - /. User 468275

ivan

  • Forum Moderator
  • Hacker
  • *
  • Coolio Points: +499/-50
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4929
  • Not a Mod, nor a Rocker. A Mocker.
    • View Profile
Re: Will there ever be an end to how much we can discover?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2006, 11:48:32 AM »

Fine, swap truth with facts if you want.
I don't know where you base this on.

I base this on your posing a philosophical question based on an assumption. To paraphrase your question, you asked, "If the universe is knowable, will humans ever know it?" What kind of question is that? If you are capable of driving a SUV, will you ever drive it? If it is possible to kill a human, will you in fact kill a human?

The scientific part of your post (the assumption that the Universe is limited) flew out the window as soon as you followed it up with a purely philosophical -- if even that -- question.

And also what Crystalmonkey said.

And also what Demosthenes said (I really like Raiders too).
Logged
"I TYPE 120 WORDS PER MINUTE, BUT IT'S IN MY OWN LANGUAGE!"  -Detta

xolik: WHERE IS OBAMA'S GIFT CERTIFICATE?
Demosthenes: Is that from the gifters movement?


Detta: Crappy old shorts and a tank top.  This is how I dress for work. Because my job is to get puked on.
Demosthenes: So is mine.  I work in IT.


bananaskittles: The world is 4chan and God is a troll.

TeraHammer

  • Troll
  • *
  • Coolio Points: +49/-3
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 259
    • View Profile
Re: Will there ever be an end to how much we can discover?
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2006, 07:08:17 PM »

"If the universe is knowable, will humans ever know it?" What kind of question is that?
I say, an interesting question, therefore this topic :)

We will never know everything. There will always be one question that will remain: Do we know everything yet?

How can you prove that you do?
I tend to think by a proof by contradiction. So that if you add something new to the Knowledge, you can proove that it can't exist.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2006, 07:18:13 PM by TeraHammer »
Logged
Fanatics are the first to betray their beliefs in order to defend it.
Pages: 1 [2]