Topic: P-ligion of Reese? (Read 28831 times)

Wunderkind · « **Reply #1 on:** April 03, 2008, 12:47:15 AM »

I've been struggling on how to respond to this. I read the Q'ran a while ago and knew that shit like that was there. There's another book to the Islam religion that's even worse, but the name escapes me at this moment.

On the other hand, there isn't a single religion out there that can't be twisted into something violent and repulsive if certain passages of their holy books are taken out of context or taken literally (or hell, just taken too seriously for that matter). Extremists always scare me.

Which brings me to my conclusion... Can religion and peace be used in the same sentence, or do they make a double negative?

12AX7 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 03, 2008, 01:07:54 AM »

Wunderkind · « **Reply #3 on:** April 03, 2008, 01:22:01 AM »

Islam is most certainly a religion of extremes. Moderation does escape them. But you find that in all religions.

Hell, I get criticized by other pagans for not being "pagan enough", whatever the hell that means. I have difficulty coping with a religion that offers no option for moderation (Islam not standing alone, Hebrew does it as well). They make no sense, I find I am less frightened and more confused.

Why, oh why, would anyone want to be like that? It seems like a headache waiting to happen. All stressed out and no one to ra... I mean pillage... oh shit, umm... kill.

And if they were left to their own devices, it would be interesting to see what happened (scientifically speaking, I'm not actually saying I want to see it happen). Generally speaking, nature doesn't like extremist cultures, but then they do exist. Then the question rises, do they exist because we keep artifically moderating them, or would they not fizzle out on their own if the west stayed out of it? In this case, probably not, they would most likely try to expand given the nature of the religion, but still, it's an interesting question. Whether or not an outside force getting involved is just 'feeding the beast' so to speak.

12AX7 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 03, 2008, 01:56:38 AM »

Wunderkind · « **Reply #5 on:** April 03, 2008, 02:10:18 AM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on April 03, 2008, 01:56:38 AM

Well, considering that they've been there, and been fighting eye for an eye since the beginning of man's time here (literally)...

Is Islam that old? I question that men were running around screaming 'Jihad' at the dawn of time. Don't give them too much credit. They've only been going at it as long as Christianity has been burning martyrs. (Then again, Christians still excel at burning martyrs, just not their own... and not literally... unless you ask them... yeah, shutting up now.)

Anyways, we're making the same point. They will always to bring it to us. But there is no question that we aren't making it any better by going over there.

12AX7 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2008, 03:02:43 AM »

Wunderkind · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2008, 03:48:11 AM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on April 03, 2008, 03:02:43 AM

So then its a kind of a question of do you want the turmoil here, or over there. I'd rather all the bombs and shit to fly over there certainly.

Interesting perspective, and most certainly one I understand and respect. Oh if only it worked that way and we were over there to stop the encroachment on human rights that is Jihad. Too bad that's not the reason. Then I still have to ask, what are our rights, when it comes to interferring with other people's beliefs?
<--------------Just cracked a whole new can of worms and knows it.

12AX7 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2008, 04:30:29 AM »

Wunderkind · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2008, 04:40:02 AM »

Best offense is a good defense huh?

Wait...

That's not right...

Best defense is a good offense. Yeah, better.

Anyway, I hear you. I'm really wondering at this point though, when it's okay by your opinion to abolish Islam? - Ignoring the concept of freedom of religion because that will derail the thread - I mean, should we wipe them out, or was border control ala Nazi Poland ghetto more like what you had in mind? Or, perhaps, were you thinking more like, let's just poke at them and keep them distracted as long as we can?

!!DISCLAIMER: This thread is quickly sounding anti-Islam. It is important to note that the above questions refer to other extreme organized religions that endorse violence as well!!

12AX7 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2008, 05:14:59 AM »

Wunderkind · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2008, 05:29:25 AM »

You realize that it's impossible to debate with you, right?

Goddamnitall, I was trying start something and you keep shooting it all to shit, 12.

You're no fun. Where's Vespertine?

xolik · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2008, 12:00:46 PM »

The problem with Islam, as I see, is that it has yet to modernize. Many of the other 'established' religions have adapted to the new age and modified their doctrine accordingly. At least, they have stopped actively encouraging forced conversions. Islam will eventually undergo this type of change, but it will only happen internally and cannot be forced by outside pressure. Any outside attempts to modify Islam will most likely be viewed as acts of hostility towards all Islam and be resented.

12AX7 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2008, 12:26:05 PM »

xolik · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2008, 03:42:16 PM »

The years since 9/11 happened have given me time to ponder, to shuffle loose my old beliefs and bigotries. Christian? Muslim? Good? Evil? The meaning of these words once so clear to me now blur as my eyes gaze across the boundless sea.

I know what matters.
The bananas are after me.

Perched high in their tree, they eye me with cool malevolence. And the last one I tried to eat nearly gagged me! I can almost hear it scream as I smashed it, half eaten, on sea rocks.

It's war, and I will win it.

12AX7 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2008, 04:04:32 PM »

Demosthenes · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2008, 05:28:51 PM »

Go banana!

xolik · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2008, 05:34:26 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes on April 03, 2008, 05:28:51 PM

Go banana!

Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours.

sociald1077 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2008, 12:08:30 AM »

I know I will probably take some flack for this and be quoted many other passages so I can be proven wrong in my own light but:

Ecclesiastes 7:15-18
15 In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these:
a righteous man perishing in his righteousness,
and a wicked man living long in his wickedness.

16 Do not be overrighteous,
neither be overwise—
why destroy yourself?

17 Do not be overwicked,
and do not be a fool—
why die before your time?

18 It is good to grasp the one
and not let go of the other.
The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.

This has been one of my favourite passages for a long time. We can be lead to extremes of Zealotry for good and for evil, but we are reminded in the Good book itself that moderation is the key.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2008, 12:31:28 AM »

Quote from: sociald1077 on April 04, 2008, 12:08:30 AM

...the Good book itself...

The only flack your catching from me is for this phrase. And only because I'm in the mood to nit-pick.

*throws flack

Dark Shade · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2008, 01:33:05 AM »

Ye can't get ye flack.

xolik · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2008, 10:56:04 AM »

A book cannot be good or evil. That's just silly.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2008, 12:28:52 PM »

Quote from: xolik on April 04, 2008, 10:56:04 AM

A book cannot be good or evil. That's just silly.

Of course it is, but just last week I read the Great book. It had much more material than the Good book and the Better book combined. Although, I'm not sure how it stacks up against the Best book.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2008, 05:18:42 PM »

IT'S A COOKBOOK!

LuciferSam · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2008, 06:06:40 AM »

Ah yes. A woman with a cookbook is a great thing. Didn't I read about that one of those Good Books somewhere?

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