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New Geeks on the Block / $thread_title
« on: June 08, 2004, 12:25:31 PM »
Quote from: catwritr
Ever notice the n00b threads tend to take rather drastic turns by the second page?


shit I just realized I'm an n zero zero b ... again.

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Quote from: Demosthenes
Quote from: segFault
I agree this can be frustrating to get your devices working especially for the recent Windows exiles who aren't incredibly "fu" with Linux. Its a learning process which is very rewarding. Trial and error is part of the deal :).


Oh I know trial and error.  I've spent over a month doing nothing BUT.

And I'm no stranger to getting devices to work under any distro of Linux I've used.  See my printer comment above.

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As for your card, not to worry. Here are links to the drivers:

http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357&question=General%20Wireless


First place I looked.  Note that the "A" variety of the D-Link DWL-G650 card (which is what I have) is just a link to the Prism54 site.

Prism54 doesn't work with my kernel (I'm on Slackware 9.1, which uses the 2.4.22 kernel by default).

I spent six hours screwing with it before I gave up on trying to MAKE it work.

Everything I read in any howto documentation for the Prism54 nightmare referred to newer kernels than mine, so I figured I'd upgrade to the newest.

I downloaded the 2.6.5 Linux kernel and got that up and running.

STILL could not get Prism54 to work.  It simply does not function correctly with my card.

There are no working Linux drivers of any sort for the wireless card I have.

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I see there is compatibility for kernel 2.4.18, 2.4.20, etc - so compile it and give it a try.

Remember, recompiling your kernel isn't necessary in most cases. You can simply plug in the module(s) and your device is up.


I know that... I was recompiling my kernel because Prism54 was written for a newer kernel than mine, so I upgraded to a newer one and recompiled it.  No dice.  Card no worky.  Prism54 still no worky.  Back to drawing board.  Network cable only, for me.   :cry:

Well, unless I want to buy a totally new wifi card.  Which I don't... because there's apparently still no guarantees that it will work.  From what I've read, the BEST one can hope for where wireless networking is concerned under Linux is "it sorta works, with some cards, and even then, only if you're a fricken guru".

Not good enough for me to waste more money on hardware that in all probability won't work on my platform of choice.

It's very frustrating.  I've been able to get everything working under Linux that I've ever tried... But this is totally over my head, and frankly not worth the enormous amount of time that I've already spent -- fruitlessly, mind you -- on it, not to mention the enormous amount of time it will take in addition to that, only for "maybe" results.

What it comes down to is the simple fact that there is almost no support for wireless networking hardware under ANY distro of Linux, and what little support there is is far more difficult to implement for 90% of the Linux users out there... and considering the technical expertise among average Linux users, that's really saying something.

Until that changes, I have only one thing to say about it:  Feh.


Going to need more info on this... I checked out the A series and got a link to this:
ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/

I then located the prism54 website and noticed they say, "The same driver source works for 2.4 AND 2.6".

What exactly happened when you attempted to compile this?

Consider thus editied:

To elaborate more...I understand it can be frustrating to put so much time into it and get nowhere. I've had similar problems with particular hardware before. That first link I posted contains drivers which appear to support that card... give it a try and post your experience.

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Quote from: Epicure
Hey, I just though of somthing, surely someone cleverer and brighter than me has already though about it, but you know the way it feels : like you got a great idea and you're just convinced it's a great idea till someone actually tells you why it's crap.

<segFault snippeth here>.


Not possible. Billy Gates will never give up his bastard child (ie, release Windows open source). Linux and Windows kernels are entirely different, and to run Windows programs on Linux you would need an emulator or some type of compatibility layer.

Applications, if stuck to a standard of code (not relying on a particular OS function), can be easily ported to platforms where a compiler exists. QT is an example of cross platform development where your applications can be brought to Linux, Windows, Mac, etc.

What I can see is an window manager that is a clone of the Windows GUI environment - though I would imagine The Legion of Doom (aka Microsoft Lawyers) would stop this pretty quickly.

Good news is many alternatives are being created to replace MS applications as well as many games being ported to Linux natively. SDL is an example of an open source alternative to DirectX. (zSnes for Windows uses DirectX, while zSnes for Linux uses SDL).

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New Geeks on the Block / $thread_title
« on: June 07, 2004, 10:00:12 PM »
Quote from: catwritr
Quote from: segFault

and now I break all emoticons:

(-: (-;


Hmm...that looks familiar...

 :shock:

I know who you are! I think.


It does?
You do?

You don't seem familiar to me...

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New Geeks on the Block / hellop im newp
« on: June 07, 2004, 09:43:31 PM »
Quote from: catwritr
Quote from: segFault
Quote from: Lacerda
You don't really want to know.


Why do you wave your hand while you sa....uhhhh....You're right I don't want to know who Bobby is...


thebrunswickboy, ASsTEROIDS, madashell, and a whole assortment of other accounts that have all been banned, blocked, and reported to the authorities.


Who this guy?

@http://furnation.com/Bobbydogerson/

?

Bottom feeder.

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New Geeks on the Block / hellop im newp
« on: June 07, 2004, 09:08:45 PM »
Quote from: Lacerda
You don't really want to know.


Why do you wave your hand while you sa....uhhhh....You're right I don't want to know who Bobby is...

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I agree this can be frustrating to get your devices working especially for the recent Windows exiles who aren't incredibly "fu" with Linux. Its a learning process which is very rewarding. Trial and error is part of the deal :).

As for your card, not to worry. Here are links to the drivers:

http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=357&question=General%20Wireless

I see there is compatibility for kernel 2.4.18, 2.4.20, etc - so compile it and give it a try.

Remember, recompiling your kernel isn't necessary in most cases. You can simply plug in the module(s) and your device is up.

Hope this helps.

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New Geeks on the Block / Re: hellop im newp
« on: June 07, 2004, 08:46:49 PM »
Quote from: canadaman1983
hellop im newp


Damn skiddiot. Now excuse me while I find out who Bobby is.

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New Geeks on the Block / $thread_title
« on: June 07, 2004, 07:43:04 PM »
Quote from: catwritr
Thank you for not being Bobby.


Welcomed writr of cats.

and now I break all emoticons:

(-: (-;

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New Geeks on the Block / $thread_title
« on: June 07, 2004, 07:40:53 PM »
Quote from: HeavyJay
Welcome to teh Geekery, segFault.

This is my thousandth post.  w00t


In a thread started by member 1667 no less!

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New Geeks on the Block / $thread_title
« on: June 07, 2004, 07:26:15 PM »
Quote from: gorgeous_si
If you had 8000 loot, what's the first hing you'd buy? If you had any loot left over, would you give the rest to the poor?

Welcome segFault


Yes.

also,

Do you love binary true answers too?

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New Geeks on the Block / $thread_title
« on: June 07, 2004, 07:20:15 PM »
Greetings Lads and Lasses...

After some time of lurking on these forums, it is a pleasure to finally sign up. In accordance with being a geek (who recognizes tradition) - I say hello to all and await any interrogation that
follows...

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