Topic: How does this help? (Read 4087 times)

Demosthenes · « **on:** April 14, 2004, 08:46:48 AM »

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Does this kind of statement really help the American people swallow the reason we're still in Iraq - the reason we were in Iraq in the first place?

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"Look, nobody likes to see dead people on their television screens," Bush said. "I don't. It's a tough time for the American people to see that. It's gut-wrenching."

Yeah, you fucking nimrod... and YOU'RE the reason we're seeing dead people on our television screens.

It would be different if this were a war that was, say defending our own country because we were in imminent danger, not just this trumped up war waged solely for political reasons.

The only reason our soldiers are still there is because the Bush administration won't swallow their pride and say, "We screwed up. We shouldn't have been there in the first place, and we humbly ask the nations of the world for their help in resolving this situation that we created as peacefully and as humanely as possible."

This guy... I swear, he makes me twitch and gnash my teeth every time he releases a statement. It just makes me cringe to think that someone as pompous, self-righteous, and arrogant as this twit is representing our country in front of the rest of the world.

You know, I'm the last guy who gives a rip about what other countries think of us normally... heck, I'm a quasi-isolationist, ferfucksake.

But having Bush Jr. at the helm basically makes us all look like bible-thumping, vulgar, smarmy assholes.

And while a good chunk of this country fits that bill pretty well from what I've seen, that's a pretty piss-poor representation of the rest of us who would like to move on from this primitive, backward mentality and try to develop a civilized society here.

ARGH!

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Okay, I now return you to your regularly scheduled political forum. I need some coffee.

Anonymous · « **Reply #1 on:** April 14, 2004, 09:13:38 AM »

Hell yeah! I've been lied to. A while back, I supported the war because I was presented with evidence. Today, I'm being told that they pretty much made it up. Yet, there's no legal repercussions! Those idiots lied to the world and they are still at the helm. They should be in jail.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #2 on:** April 14, 2004, 09:42:07 AM »

I hold this administration personally responsible for every US soldier's death.

I also hold the entire US Congress personally responsible for negligence in allowing the Executive Office of the United States to act in a manner outside of the authority granted it by the US Constitution.

I agree. They should be in jail. A lot of them. What they have done is reprehensible, disgusting, ignoble, dishonorable, and in my opinion, unforgivable.

Not to mention, this little quote from that same article irks me:

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He also admitted, for the first time, that Iraqis are not entirely pleased with the situation created by the U.S.-led war.

"They're not happy they're occupied. I wouldn't be happy if I were occupied either," Bush said.

What happened to the "we're liberators, not occupiers" spin we kept hearing from the Bushies around a year ago or so?

When did we go from "liberating" Iraq to "occupying" Iraq?

hackess · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2004, 09:43:43 AM »

I've had coffee. Not enough coffee, but some.

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Hell yeah! I've been lied to. A while back, I supported the war because I was presented with evidence. Today, I'm being told that they pretty much made it up.

Do you automatically believe all the "evidence" presented to you by the government simply because they are the ruling authority?

Many, many Americans, as well as citizens around the world, have believed from the beginning that this so-called justification for marching our smarmy asses into Iraq was never enough.

You've been lied to?? You're not a citizen of the country led by the King of Arrogant Morons.

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But having Bush Jr. at the helm basically makes us all look like bible-thumping, vulgar, smarmy assholes.

And while a good chunk of this country fits that bill pretty well from what I've seen, that's a pretty piss-poor representation of the rest of us who would like to move on from this primitive, backward mentality and try to develop a civilized society here.

Here, here.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2004, 09:51:02 AM »

And what the fuck is up with the font size in the last half of my last post?

There isn't a single "size" tag anywhere in it, yet everything (including my sig) is a few points bigger for no apparent reason.

hackess · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2004, 10:03:17 AM »

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And what the fuck is up with the font size in the last half of my last post?

There isn't a single "size" tag anywhere in it, yet everything (including my sig) is a few points bigger for no apparent reason.

Um...if you say so. Looks fine to me.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2004, 10:04:08 AM »

I just totally redid the whole last half of the post, that's why. I don't know why it was doing that...

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2004, 10:20:43 AM »

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Do you automatically believe all the "evidence" presented to you by the government simply because they are the ruling authority?

Because I don't have the means to conduct my own investigation, I would need to trust to some degree what evidence is provided to me. Especially when a large group supports that evidence as accurate.

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You've been lied to?? You're not a citizen of the country led by the King of Arrogant Morons.

That's irrelevant. The impacts of this war go beyond the US border. I have been lied to and the entire wolrd has been lied to.

hackess · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2004, 10:24:57 AM »

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That's irrelevant. The impacts of this war go beyond the US border. I have been lied to and the entire wolrd has been lied to.

It's not irrelevant. The impacts certainly do go beyond the US border and have massive international implications, I agree with you there.

Yet it's US citizens who are being hung and burned and buried in shallow graves in Iraq by militant Iraqis. Countries around the world are pointing their fingers at the United States, and US citizens are being construed to be just as arrogant as the man who, so righteously in his mind, led our country to this "war on terror."

To quote John Kerry:

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"The president may refuse to acknowledge a single mistake in the course of his presidency," he said, "but with deaths mounting and American sacrifice increasing, it's time he offered a specific plan that secures real international involvement, gets the target off the backs of our troops and starts to share the burden in Iraq."

Anonymous · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2004, 10:46:01 AM »

Oh you guys (and galls) are getting the wost deal for sure. Some people will point the finger at you as if they were pointing their finger at Bush and not see a difference.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #10 on:** April 14, 2004, 02:44:55 PM »

What pisses me off is that the american sheep have a pretty good probability of reelecting the fool. I'm sure my state won't give him any electoral votes, but most of us are college educated.

The thing that bugs me the most is that he is bringing his religion into all of this. Every time I hear him allude to "god is on our side", I cringe.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2004, 02:57:05 PM »

No kidding.

And nobody as yet has been able to tell me conclusively which "god" he is claiming is on "our side".

Considering the direction his administration seems to be taking in a lot of things, I am beginning to get an idea that it's not a benevolent deity.

xolik · « **Reply #12 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:04:42 PM »

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No kidding.

And nobody as yet has been able to tell me conclusively which "god" he is claiming is on "our side".

It's Cyric.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:05:34 PM »

Who's "Cyric"?

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Anonymous · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:06:28 PM »

It's a Bush led Jihad!

hackess · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:07:04 PM »

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It's Cyric.

Really? 'Cause I was gonna go with Chaos.

xolik · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:12:56 PM »

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Who's "Cyric"?

?

**GASP**

Cyric, the Prince of Lies? He replaced Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal. Lord of Strife, Death, and Murder.

Read all about it!

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/2596/powers/Cyric.html

Demosthenes · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2004, 03:44:24 PM »

Quote from: xolik

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Who's "Cyric"?

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**GASP**

Cyric, the Prince of Lies? He replaced Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal. Lord of Strife, Death, and Murder.

Read all about it!

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/2596/powers/Cyric.html

Is that like some D20 thing or something?

I've never heard of it.

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