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Yeah. You're right. And, I'm sure there's nobody examining the financial link between the Veep and Haliburton. Silly me.edit:I'm duty bound to disagree with everything you say because of this.
1) I don't dislike you. I disagree with your political opinions and I believe that you're young and naive. There's a big difference.
2) I do add to political debates in a meaningful way. The fact that you may disregard my opinions out of hand does not make my posts worthless.
Rather, the fact that you disagree with my posts and you can't form an argument to express your opinions frustrates both of us.
C) You shouldn't ignore my posts. I'm a well-read, educated adult with opinions that are echoed many times over in the political world and in society in general.
I don't ignore your posts because I enjoy watching the other members of this forum rip you to shreds with the ease of a hot knife through wet sandpaper. Your arguments, if one could call them that, are weak and unsupportable the majority of the time. Disagree? Point to one thread on this forum where in you've convinced someone to change their opinion. Or, show me where you've supported one of your arguments with real evidence beyond anecdotal or gut feelings.
4) You're right again! Wow! Twice in one day!
The fact that you disagree with my opinions doesn't make you an idiot. There are myriad other things that do that.I bother to post replies to your nonsense because one of the things that I'm good at is making with the funny. And, since you're the perfect dope, making the funny at your expense is too tempting to resist.
I am young, and I do not claim to know everything, far from it, but I do and have read into many subjects, thus I have an opinion on them. Other opinions are all from personal experience. We come from very different background and frames of thought and so our opinions will obviously be different.
You add to discussions, but not in reference to me. Show me a post where you've said something to me in a large discussion that wasn't demeaning, and in fact enhanced the discussion.
I've formed opinions that have spanned eight page discussions. I'd say if anything I'm too verbose and too opinionated.
I'm sure you are, but at the same time, you do not respect my opinions, and so I tend to ignore yours. You mock me, so that makes me less inclined to listened to what you have to say. I listen to what people have to offer if I consider their point of reference interesting, and possibly closer to what "truth" really is. If someone (you) is nothing but a demeaning asshole, I don't want fragments of your perspective contaminating mine.
Most of the time I'm sharing an opinion. Opinions are formed through personal experience, personality, as well as a variety of facts one knows. Now if I try to actually prove something is the correct way to go about things (which if my memory serves me correctly I have never done on this forum) I would need evidence and such, but I usually don't on forums. I present an opinion, explain why I follow that opinion, or whatnot, and then leave it.
On the opposite side of the coin, if someone presents me with a fact contradicting something I've said, I usually back down, or at least reform what I was saying. It's happened twice, and both times, I have no attempted to argue against a presented fact.
Now I know we're from different generations, but generally, calling someone an idiot while their trying to defend something isn't funny, it's mean. Some of the things Demo does while in a debate are amusing, but yours seem more biting than anything.
The fact that you're young is obvious. While you don't claim to know everything, you never bend. You know what you know and you know that what you know is right and anybody that's spouting anything different must be wrong. Or, at least that's the way you come across.
I tried to debate you in the first political debate that you ventured into. That was sufficient for me to realize that you were incapable of forming an argument and expressing it in a way that would sway anyone's opinion.
I don't understand the point of presenting an opinion (unsupportable or supported by facts) and then ignoring the fact that it was irrational thought, or misinformation that brought you to that opinion when you are called to the carpet by the other members of the forum. You are continually called on your misinformed/irrational opinions, but you refuse to admit that you may be wrong.
Your standby attitude is, "These are just my opinions and opinions, because they are mine, can't be wrong." Well, opinions can be wrong and until you're willing to admit that and open your eyes, you're going to struggle to make anyone respect your or your point of view.
o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pin-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–noun1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
I thought you said you never tried to "...actually prove something is the correct way to go about things."What's the difference between defending your opinion and "...actually prove something is the correct way to go about things."?
I have bent, but I don't break. I change my mind on things, I take what everyone is saying into account, but at the same time, I don't just toss opinions that I have spent 19 years forming out the window, and you can't honestly expect me to do that, unless there is a serious hole somewhere in them, and so far, you nor anyone else has ever shown one for the most part. Saying that my opinions on some matters violate "human rights" or whatnot does not invalidate how I view things, to give an example of what demo tried to tell me.
Perhaps I don't sway yours, or anyone else's on this forum, but I have made people consider things elsewhere. In my first real political debate on this forum I had everyone bombarding me left and right and it was hard to keep up with 5+ other people, not to mention demo has a considerable amount more experience than me, so obviously his points will come off a little smoother.
Show me a time when I was present with a fact, not a collective members opinion, not a value judgment, not a moral element, and I argued against it.
Support for an opinion can be misleading or wrong, an opinion can not be true or false.
That's from Websters. I don't see how you could get a sense of correctness or incorrectness from any of those.
My opinion is the way I feel things should be done. I realize other people would rather do them other ways, otherwise there wouldn't be controversy. I don't believe there is ever one correct way to go about things, my view or opinion is a guideline of a way I consider favorable to go about things.
If pointing out that your opinion violates human rights doesn't invalidate your view, then I'm not going to be able to convince you that anything is going to poke holes in your irrational view of things. That's why I get frustrated with you and why I have stopped involving myself in arguments where you're participating.
Everyone was quick to reply to your first attempt at debate on this forum because there were so many holes in your arguments - holes which you refused to see.
I can't be bothered.
I didn't say an opinion could be false. Words mean things. I said that an opinion can be wrong. Yours often is.
I'm of the opinion that the world is flat. Is my opinion wrong? Yes.
If your opinion is so meaningless to others, why share it? I mean, if it's so personal and only needs to be supported by your own personal feelings, thoughts and insights, then why bother to display those things to others?
From a certain perspective the world may be flat. If your looking at it from a 4th dimensional perspective the world might appear rather flat. Point being, opinions aren't wrong, they're just described from different perspectives. You and I have different perspectives. Neither of us is wrong, we simply come from different backgrounds and thus we have had to solve similar problems differently.
As long as you don't confuse opinion with fact. Which you have.QuoteNo, I'm the only one here so far who hasn't.
No, I'm the only one here so far who hasn't.
I wish you would have put that part right at the top of your reply because then I could have disregarded everything else you typed and stopped reading at that point.To invent some imaginary perspective from which neither of us can view the situation in order to support your statement is just absurd.
Now, on to the parts that I did read and care to reply to...RE: Geneva conventions rebuttal -The discussion where human rights was the issue that poked holes in your "argument" was titled "The war". It was about.... WAR!GAWD that was a painful thing to revisit http://www.geekforum.org/index.php/topic,3893.0.htmlEveryone jumping on you: BS. We didn't argue that you were wrong, we argued that the foundation of your argument was flawed. Here's a nice quote from that threadEveryone is wrong except me!
Re hypocrisy: It wouldn't do any good to take the time to search out an example. You'd just reply with, "That's my opinion. Opinions can't be wrong." You want an example of your opinion being wrong, read the thread I linked above.
The Geneva conventions are agreed upon as accepted rules of war.
Then you may not participate in a war as a nation.
Ron Paul on war:"If every American taxpayer had to submit an extra five or ten thousand dollars to the IRS this April to pay for the war, I'm quite certain it would end very quickly. The problem is that government finances war by borrowing and printing money, rather than presenting a bill directly in the form of higher taxes. When the costs are obscured, the question of whether any war is worth it becomes distorted."
That's why I share my thoughts, because I feel that they show this different perspective.
Ah yes. You want to be different......just like everyone else.
I didn't say I wanted to be different. If I wanted to be different I wouldn't say anything, because most people share opinions. I said I provide a different perspective to things that should be considered, as do you, or demo, or bizb, as does everyone, and I think it's important to consider as many of these perspectives as possible.
The general political opinion on this forum is a few slots to the left of me, so obviously just based on different view points they disagreed, and thus everyone decided to argue against me.
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