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• (January 12, 2023, 01:18:11 AM)

[Rizzy]

Philosophical books up top to deprive short people of intellectual thinking?

...the shelves can only be on top if they exist; the shelves may or may not exist in any given moment. >_>

I also think bibles should be in the bibliography section.

[Demosthenes]

Yes but you cannot be versed in philosophy until you learn about it. If you cannot reach the shelf you ,arguably, can't obtain the knowledge and so the location of the shelf is relevant.

My dear, you will learn so much more in the journey to reach them than you ever would from the books themselves.

You will finally achieve enlightenment and discover that the books are empty.

[Rizzy]

You will finally achieve enlightenment and discover that the books are empty.

Literally empty, or that even amidst the hundred of pages of written words in them, the material is utter...crap...thus making all knowledge within them moot, hence, empty (or void) of any real value?

[Demosthenes]

Literally empty, or that even amidst the hundred of pages of written words in them, the material is utter...crap...thus making all knowledge within them moot, hence, empty (or void) of any real value?

Yes!

[ivan]

Besides, if god "made" us as is, then he should have put some better planning into designing our sinus cavities.

Egads, and knee joints.  Especially the poorly engineered knee joints.

* Demosthenes shakes his cane

What about the whole design? The overarching concept? Why would Someone Who can do anything make a machine that will rapidly decay if it does not consume fuel, decay a bit slower if it does, that processes said fuel in a highly inefficient manner that produces waste products that are toxic to the machine? I appreciate our capacity for contemplating the infinite, high-minded aesthetics, ethics, love and passion, but why be so cruel as to install that kind of software in a machine that must pretend it is something more than a creaking, groaning, drooling, farting, hacking, pissing, bleeding, sweating, hairy excreting smelly meatsack with a 70-year shelf life?

I mean, what gives?

[Rizzy]

Yes!

Holla!

And ivan, I meant more along the lines of the location of maxillary sinuses makes draining inefficient since it has to defy gravity, as opposed to the other 3 groups of cavities. =/

[ivan]

Holla!

And ivan, I meant more along the lines of the location of maxillary sinuses makes draining inefficient since it has to defy gravity, as opposed to the other 3 groups of cavities. =/

And I meant our pathetic sinus design is the least of it. The whole package is flawed. To think it was deliberate is sufficient cause to embrace atheism, if only out of pique.

[Rizzy]

And that is partly why I think creationists are wrong.

I can't be an atheist on principle of my mom making sacrifices to send me to a religious school til I was 15; I'd feel bad.

[ivan]

You will finally achieve enlightenment and discover that the books are empty.

I talked to a man on a mountain.
He turned out to be just a crank:
He gave me a book, its title was "Freedom",
But all of the pages were blank...

[ivan]

A song I wrote 10 years ago. It's about a guy who's looking for someone that will lead him to freedom.

It's ironic.

[Rizzy]

It's ironic.

...don't ya think?

[Wunderkind]

I would just like to take this moment to say, not everyone who frequents this forum agrees with your opinion of those books which are "empty". Some may disagree and say that they are not "empty". Myself would say that calling any book "empty" is offensive, regardless of how humorous one may find the text.

Even though I may be one of two people here who actually believes in a god, what is more of a slap was the disrespect to the books themselves. Just because you disagree with it's contents, does not mean that the words are useless or worthy of trolling or flaming (or burning). You don't see me making fun of Demo's books on aethism.

$0.02

[Demosthenes]

Wunderkind: I thought demo was just comparing how the experience is greater than anything you can take away from a book, not that they're useless or "empty". Why else would somebody read books and have bookshelves filled with them if they were just "empty"?

Yup.

[Wunderkind]

I was mostly going off on a rant of my own personal opinions which I understand goes in another forum, whoever I was directly referring to this post:

... the material is utter...crap...thus making all knowledge within them moot, hence, empty (or void) of any real value?

Which is what triggered the personal rant. Because I've spent the last five days around some very arrogant atheists who are just as bad a Christians when it comes to shoving their beliefs down your throat and I couldn't take it anymore.

So I snapped. Shamefully so, but I'm not taking it back.

[Probie]

I totally get agnostics, they don't believe in god. They are just scared incase he hears them.

[Rizzy]

I was mostly going off on a rant of my own personal opinions which I understand goes in another forum, whoever I was directly referring to this post:

Which is what triggered the personal rant. Because I've spent the last five days around some very arrogant atheists who are just as bad a Christians when it comes to shoving their beliefs down your throat and I couldn't take it anymore.

So I snapped. Shamefully so, but I'm not taking it back.

I forget that sometimes joking/mocking tones don't come across great via the web. Bah. I wrote that, but I wasn't being serious when I said that. And those were about the philosophy books, not religious texts btw. In case that wasn't clear.

Overall though, no book is completely worthless - if even the smallest minority of people can gain some sort of insight or joy from a book, then it has value, regardless if the majority agree or disagree on its contents. They are what help us expand our minds in some way or another.

...and I have a feeling you were referring to me with the no books should be "burned." Again, I would never ACTUALLY burn one. But, haven't you ever read a textbook that just gives you the worst headache, and you glare at it as if your eyes can set it
aflame? ever?

P.S. My belief on God is that "it" (gender-neutral) is the energy in the universe from which everything was formed. What would that even fall under?

[Demosthenes]

P.S. My belief on God is that "it" (gender-neutral) is the energy in the universe from which everything was formed. What would that even fall under?

Deism?

[Rizzy]

Deism?

Could be; when I was in middle school, I went all hypothetical about how the bible could have been a journal, in a sense, written by a select few over time, and the Rabbi actually liked my train of thought and said he wished more people wouldn't take things so literally. But I've learned so much about rabbinic law that tries to interpret the bible, that its not quite that either.

Oh well. It's faith (edit: for me) that really matters, not what kind it is.




Hah, from books to religion. Go figure.

[Rizzy]

Nope.

[Probie]

I'm more into science and faith.  

[Probie]

No wait!!! Science THAN faith.

Jeepers. >_>

[Rizzy]

There's one book I really want to read. "Dancing Naked in the Mind Field" by Kary Mullis (the guy who invented the PCR and got a Nobel Prize for it, revolutionizing DNA analysis in many forensic and biological fields).

He attributes his idea to make the PCR to LSD use, doesn't believe that HIV causes AIDS or that CFC's caused the ozone depletion (against pretty much all science canon) and that he saw an alien in form of a FLUORESCING RACCOON.

I'm interested in reading about this guys ideas, since he's obviously very well-educated (in the traditional sense of the world), and how he came to all these conclusions that are obviously against the thoughts of most scientists.

And come on, glowing raccoons? That HAS to be epic!

[Probie]

He liked lsd, I like him. That's how it works.

[ivan]

That's fine. I hate both arrogant Christians and Athiests alike. But what really drives me crazy is those darn Agnostics... Make up your mind, and if you can't don't lean to one side and bash the other.

I have this in my frak profile:

Here is what Thomas H. Huxley, the Father of Agnosticism, had to say about why he felt compelled to invent the term:

I have never had the least sympathy with the a priori reasons against orthodoxy, and I have by nature and disposition the greatest possible antipathy to all the atheistic and infidel school. Nevertheless I know that I am, in spite of myself, exactly what the Christian would call, and, so far as I can see, is justified in calling, atheist and infidel. I cannot see one shadow or tittle of evidence that the great unknown underlying the phenomenon of the universe stands to us in the relation of a Father [who] loves us and cares for us as Christianity asserts. So with regard to the other great Christian dogmas, immortality of soul and future state of rewards and punishments, what possible objection can I-who am compelled perforce to believe in the immortality of what we call Matter and Force, and in a very unmistakable present state of rewards and punishments for our deeds-have to these doctrines? Give me a scintilla of evidence, and I am ready to jump at them.

In other words:

"I don't like atheists, even though I probably am an atheist, because I don't believe in God. On the other hand, I have seen no evidence that the Christians are wrong.  So mark me down as undecided and I'll get back to you when one of God's messengers drops down into my living room, or I see something on a piece of toast. Just don't call me an atheist."

Pfui.

[ivan]

And Wunderkind, if any of my rants have made you feel uncomfortable about expressing your opinions here, please be assured that I deeply respect your faith. They were by no means personal attacks, and never will be.

That goes for the rest of you people, too.