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Author Topic: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours  (Read 1887 times)

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Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« on: January 25, 2011, 07:11:29 AM »
Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours

My little brother is a cop (and firefighter); so I can and DO see it 'from their point of view'.
 
But come the fuck on. Is it really surprising?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mvIWFXbHNo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAgQKJuriIo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPseyY0Vg0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFsZNcBeug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgP1MnUoDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRWxm_oJfx8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHU75nxzmpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSD79o0cOc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyv4CCEArs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv0zA3j7cjw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5837FiUdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bg84g8NnnE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khBMoZdwEmc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJaAe7sYoCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPk3udApZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9llvTQn8v-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VjbAxCHgmU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09FnNHo6Qfc


 I just stopped copying and pasting; these aren't even the most serious incidents.

 There are S O   M A N Y that to say these are 'odd' and 'rare' occurrences is to show

ignorance or flat-out denial.

 When you treat people in general like shit, and place yourself above them, it has consequences.

 Our police have become so militarized, Power-headed, and aggressive that regular citizens are

not safe from them anymore - not even mentioning actual criminals.

 Police no longer view the average citizen walking down the street as a free man; sheilded from

harrassment by rights and laws. They see you as (1.an immediate Threat, and (2. a potential criminal

 For example:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX8RD4C8WFU

 You can even hear the lady that was walking past yell at the cop "He wasn't even doing anything!!"


 Is it any wonder a general sense of mistrust and fear towards police has evolved?

 *I* sure don't trust them, and am wary when I see one.

 All of which makes me scared for my little brother's safety.

 
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2011, 07:41:29 AM »
I might also add, in the case anyone puts forth the notion that I'll sure like them when I *need* them; I DO NOT call the police. For *ANY* reason.

 A few here remember the days before 9 1 1 , back when -if you got hurt, people rushed you to the hospital instead of picking up the phone.

 If someone was breaking into your home, you grabbed your baseball bat or gun; instead of the phone.

 If you saw a guy smacking a lady around; you beat his ass. And so did all the other guys who saw that shit, too.

 My point is that I don't *need* the police. Nor want them involved in anything I'm engaged in. EVERY SINGLE TIME I *have* called the police; they've

 either done nothing at all; or actually turned on ME. So no. I DO NOT call them anymore. I will handle things myself, thank you.

 
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2011, 11:53:28 AM »
I love our police  Law and Order would really suck without them.

But seriously, I haven't had much contact with them.  But I live in a kind of high crime area and I like to see them roll by my house.
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2011, 11:58:57 AM »
Cops are people too, and like the criminals they pursue, cops make mistakes. In my mind, the right response is measured and appropriate to the offense. Obviously there are places that aren't doing a good job of training police officers to perform their duties. I would advocate pushing for additional training in these areas and punishing the offenders according to the same laws they're sworn to upheld. I don't think it's productive to adopt or encourage an "us vs. them" mentality in regards to the police or any other group in society.

edit: this is not to say I think someone should just "trust the police;" the police are doing a job as they see it, which is upholding the law. This is not the same as "being on your side." There are plenty of idiotic and poorly thought out laws on the books. Even if every cop was a perfect enforcer of the law and followed all of the rules and procedures with perfect judgment, there'd still be injustice because the laws themselves were flawed. I think that's a point worth considering too.
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2011, 12:24:00 PM »
They *are* a necessity; to be sure. And I am grateful to the cops that have maintained that "Peace Officer" mindset; and that not EVERYONE is guilty of something, you just have to intimidate it out of them.  

But remember the feelings you describe are not mutual. Simply living in a 'high crime' area makes you a potential criminal from an LEO's perspective. They
aren't your friends; nor do they want to be. People forget that "Serve And Protect" was just a motto of one police department; it is NOT their official purpose; nor their focus or concern. Their purpose is to enforce the law. <-- Period.

 If you had a couple of beers this evening, and an hour or so later someone tries to break in to your house, any idea what most likely will happen?
The police will show up after the burglar is gone, and when talking to you, they'll smell the alcohol on your breath. They will ask if you have been drinking tonight, then they will ask about your babies. At that point; they no longer are interested in tracking down your version of the burglar - they are about to arrest YOU; and call the Department of Social Services to come get your children.
 You'd be half in shock, standing there wondering "Wait...Weird Tingly Feeling...? No wait! I havent done anyth-" TASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 "STOP RESISTING! STOP RESISTING!"

...see how easy that happens?  And it could very likely happen if you ever call the police. It might not be beer-breath-with-babies that sets them onto you; but it could be ANYthing. Even a misunderstanding. And you go to jail right then, and your children are taken away.

  
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2011, 12:36:10 PM »
***ok - I realize you WOULD NOT be having beers at this point in time; but you know what I mean. :-)
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2011, 12:53:32 PM »
Quote from: Banshee on January 25, 2011, 11:58:57 AM
In my mind, the right response is measured and appropriate to the offense.

 Agreed. But that isn't happening on a grand scale; and that is what causes / has caused an unprecedented segment of law-abiding society to be fearful and distrusting of police. Which, of course, makes it tougher for police; which, causes more distrust and fear, etc.




Quote from: Banshee on January 25, 2011, 11:58:57 AM
I don't think it's productive to adopt or encourage an "us vs. them" mentality in regards to the police or any other group in society.

 I'd say it depends on what's happening. It may not be productive at a town hall meeting. It may very well be productive at a protest or rally.
 It may not be a productive strategy for addressing police behavior. It may very well be productive with regards to terrorism.
 It might not be productive here in US proper; but may very well be a productive mindset on the border.

Quote from: Banshee on January 25, 2011, 11:58:57 AM
Even if every cop was a perfect enforcer of the law and followed all of the rules and procedures with perfect judgment, there'd still be injustice because the laws themselves were flawed. I think that's a point worth considering too.
It is a point worth mentioning; but I'm looking more at general group behaviors.
 The more militarized the police become; the more citizens feel distanced and not trusted. The more citizens feel distanced and not trusted; the more apathy for local cops. The more civillian apathy for cops begats more suspicion and mistrust from cops.
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2011, 01:51:20 PM »
Quote from: 12AX7 on January 25, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
***ok - I realize you WOULD NOT be having beers at this point in time; but you know what I mean. :-)

Actually, once my dad, uncle and two of their friends showed up at my house to stay for the Richmond NASCAR race.  I'm sure at least two of them opened up a beer as soon as they stepped out of the car.  I was at work and he plugged the alarm code in wrong.  The Richmond Police showed up.  My dad told them that he was my dad and showed ID.  They believed him but still wouldn't let them stay in the house.  They did let them drink beers on the back deck and the cops drove by several times to check on the situation.




PS.  Can you imagine the voicemail message I was greeted with when I got out of class that day?   WHOOOOP WHOOOP WHOOOP HEY MIN!!!  WHOOP WHOOOOP WHOOOP IT'S DAD WHOOOP WHOOOP WHOOOOP HOW DO YOU TURN THE ALARM OFF???  WHOOOP WHOOOP WHOOOP
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2011, 02:22:30 PM »
 First..   ALARM  = +1   Good job.

 That's the way it should happen. They arrive, make sure things are ok, leave but keep an eye on things.

 I'd have been terrified when they (police) showed up; even with I.D.  My experiences give me the perspective

 that when they show up; things turn bad. And no; I'm not antagonistic or anything. "Yes, sir." "No, sir." "My ID is in my wallet, sir, in my pocket. I'm

 reaching for it now, sir."  "Yes, sir, no problem, sir."  When I get stopped I put my hands on the steering wheel and do not move; fully expecting to have a

 loaded gun aimed at me until the officer feels "safe". Since I was going 68 mph in a 50 mph zone, ya know.

 "LEMME SEE YA HANDS!! LET! ME! SEE! YOUR! HANDS!
  TWO MORE MILES AN HOUR AND YOU'RE A FELON, SON!!"

 I'm glad y'alls encounter was more positive than mine have generally been.

 

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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2011, 02:31:07 PM »
They must not like the look of you.
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 02:33:18 PM »
A prejudicial cop?  Come on, really?
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 02:44:05 PM »
Quote from: Detta on January 25, 2011, 02:31:07 PM
They must not like the look of you.

 haha... who does
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Re: Authorities Fear Cops Being Targeted After at Least 11 Officers Shot in 24 Hours
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 06:59:00 PM »
Quote from: pbsaurus on January 25, 2011, 02:33:18 PM
A prejudicial cop?  Come on, really?

^ what he said, and its not just the way the person looks its also the car they drive, the house they live in the shoes they wear and so on. If on cop had a bad experience with a 5' 10" male with a stuffy beard driving a white import then I'm getting the hell for that other guy's mistakes. It also goes for last names......my brother and my dad both have history with the local police, and now I get pulled over and blamed for and illegal driving habit that the cop was guilty of!!! Go figure....
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