Personally I would add The Net and Pirates of Silicon Valley. Then of course all of the Indian Jones movies, probably all of the super hero movies, definitely all of the Matrix movies, Transformers.

I agree you shouldn't limit the list because a movie was popular, one of the things I believe makes a movie geeky is that people keep talking about them years after they were made, quoting them etc.

Oh and let's not forget LoTR, Lady Hawke, Princess Bride, and Legend for the fantasy geeks.

So as I understand it, the problem with human cloning is not the actual act of cloning a human, but the potential for abuse. For example cloning living humans soley to harvest their organs. Now think about this, you wouldn't be taking the organs out of a newborn, but rather raising the child to an adult and then harvesting the organs. Kind of like a people farm.

So even if it didn't get corporatized, what would keep parents from cloning children soley to save themselves or other children? It seems to me that the right to life people would have a great big hairy cow over this.

Now back to the original quotes from Obama. In the first quote ...

"promoting science isn't just about providing resources - it is also about protecting free and open inquiry.  It is about letting scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it's inconvenient - especially when it's inconvenient.  It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda - and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology. "

Obama is clearly referring to the Bush Administrations falsification of Global Warming documentation and the science surrounding it. Then of course the second quote is clearly referring to cloning... however, it is also a statement that he is going to open up stem cell research, but wants to reassure all the nutballs out there that just because he approves of stem cell research he believes there is an ethical line.

Personally I believe there is a difference between ethics and political idealogies. Ethics don't neccessarily stem from religion, politics, finance or any seconday agenda, but from a sense of what is right and wrong.

So technically you are correct, he is applying an ideaology to science, don't you believe there has to be some checks and balances in science? For instance how about dropping a nuke on a major metropolitan city just to see what would happen?

As for putting value on human lives... how about dropping a nuke on a penguin population just to see what would happen? Hope the moderator feels better now LOL

Well hmm I don't know how I can follow the last post, I joined assuming there were intelligent people here... and stayed anyway LOL jk

Hi all big major geek here. So here's a list of trivialities that no one really wants to know anyway 

• I'm a big time TV and Movies Geek
• I am also a bit of a computer geek specializing in software more than hardware
• I'm a closet anime and animation geek (ok you call it cartoons fine LOL)
• I have a cat that used to write her own blog about dogs
• I have dogs that used to write their own blog about politics
• I am an internet and social media geek
• I collect dragons (plush, statues, pens, whatever ) coins, dust bunnies.. ok not really but if you saw my house you would think I do
• I am a wanna be digital artist
• I am a wanna be quantum physicist... hey aim high right?
• I am an amature photographer and have a bunch of weird cameras
• I am really freakin old, at least in internet years
• I am a blonde and a girl ... which just wiped out the quantum physicist dream ROFL jk
• I like to laugh a lot, usually at my own expense

Ok thats it I will leave the thread collecting and dust mote studies until you get to know me better