Topic: Did you know the Constitution is totally optional? (Read 20749 times)

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #75 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:13:11 PM »

Not true. It could have easily turned into a string of posts with bad puns relating to barnyards, computer jargon, astrophysics, etc...

ivan · « **Reply #76 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:16:11 PM »

BARNYARD PUNS??? Heaven help us. I hereby mooooooove to end this thread!

Vespertine · « **Reply #77 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:16:50 PM »

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 08, 2008, 04:28:02 PM

Don't you live in a certain God-forsaken border state? I would think you run into at least as many hardcore conservatives/closet racists as I do.

Here's how you can tell:

1) enter immigration discussion
2) raise issue of thinly veiled racism with anti-immigrationers
3) watch them get indignant about the accusation
4) replace "mexicans" with "swedes" in their arguments
5) watch them say they would still feel the same way, but without any conviction

Yeah, I'm in Arizona. I'm thinking it's pretty damn close to what you run into in Texas.

Vespertine · « **Reply #78 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:17:45 PM »

Quote from: ivan on January 08, 2008, 05:08:44 PM

...You got off easy.

Yeah, sometimes that happens. I can't control it.

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #79 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:20:27 PM »

having... trouble typing... now

Oh yes... Texas.

http://austin.craigslist.org/hsh/516396300.html

God bless us.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #80 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Vespertine on January 08, 2008, 05:17:45 PM

Quote from: ivan on January 08, 2008, 05:08:44 PM
...You got off easy.
Yeah, sometimes that happens. I can't control it.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #81 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:42:16 PM »

It had me turned on.

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #82 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:02:12 PM »

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 08, 2008, 05:20:27 PM

having... trouble typing... now

Oh yes... Texas.

http://austin.craigslist.org/hsh/516396300.html

God bless us.

I really want it for some reason.

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #83 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:48:33 PM »

Because it's awesome. And at my house. Buy it from me.

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #84 on:** January 08, 2008, 07:00:17 PM »

Wrong country.

ivan · « **Reply #85 on:** January 08, 2008, 11:00:52 PM »

Persistent rumors to the contrary, Texas is not a country.

Yet.

12AX7 · « **Reply #86 on:** January 09, 2008, 12:36:39 AM »

Quote from: Vespertine on January 08, 2008, 03:21:39 PM

And THAT was where I ran into trouble when I started this thread. Unfortunately, I'm finding that it's damn near impossible to have even the narrowest of conversations concerning any aspect of citizenship or immigration.

Well, I tried, but I can’t carry the conversation by myself.

Quote from: 12AX7 on December 06, 2007, 06:18:19 PM

As far as the ballot initiative itself; I agree totally with you. No entity should initiate anything in direct conflict with established constitutional law; and I believe it is dangerous when they do. If the public cant depend on elected authority to abide by laws and processes, public trust and respect in authority erodes; crime escalates.
However; there is a mechanism for change, and I believe this is one I could support. I support our naturalization laws for the most part; although I would recommend an amendment to the 14th which excluded children born here while their parents are here illegally. This would close this "loophole" incentive to arrive here illegally and start a family. As it stands now, although it is portrayed as a positive - the net effect of naturalizing illegals' children is either distress to the family if the parents are deported; or acceptance (amnesty) that the parents broke - and are continuing to violate- the law.

Crystalmonkey · « **Reply #87 on:** January 09, 2008, 08:05:39 AM »

With the racism argument:

While I agree with it as the probable cause for all the upset over immigration, I can't help but think "I find it hard to believe that Swedish people are crossing the border to get to the US illegally... since a) Sweden is, as far as I know, a pretty nice place and b) we're not next to each other."

Maybe Canadians? (But you could argue that comparatively, Canada is the same as the US in terms of niceness vs Mexico.)

Also, wasn't there recently a study published that said that "illegals" are actually LESS of a burden on the healthcare system, or something?

12AX7 · « **Reply #88 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:13:04 AM »

Quote from: Crystalmonkey on January 09, 2008, 08:05:39 AM

With the racism argument:

While I agree with it as the probable cause for all the upset over immigration

THE cause? For ALL?
I agree there are a lot of racists assholes about and this is just the type of thing they go nuts over; which is a shame. Because of people like that, no one (even intelligent people) seem to even hear that there MIGHT BE another point of view that has nothing to do with race. The first person who isn't for wide open borders and amnesty for legal infractions is called a racist; and there the hope of any reasonable debate goes right out the window.

12AX7 · « **Reply #89 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:36:56 AM »

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 08, 2008, 06:48:33 PM

Because it's awesome. And at my house. Buy it from me.

Authorities say at least five Craigslist-related robberies happened in December.
Police say the victims thought they were buying something from someone else on the Web site, but instead they were attacked by multiple men who beat and robbed them.
In one case, a man thought he had bought an escort. Instead, five men and a woman forced their way into his apartment, beat him and robbed him.
In two other cases, Craigslist users were told to go to an apartment building to meet with a vendor. The resident at the apartment know nothing about any sale, and when the would-be buyers left the building, they were attacked by two men.

LOOK OUT, Age!!!!

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #90 on:** January 09, 2008, 10:03:24 AM »

Quote from: Crystalmonkey on January 09, 2008, 08:05:39 AM

With the racism argument:

While I agree with it as the probable cause for all the upset over immigration, I can't help but think "I find it hard to believe that Swedish people are crossing the border to get to the US illegally... since a) Sweden is, as far as I know, a pretty nice place and b) we're not next to each other."

Maybe Canadians? (But you could argue that comparatively, Canada is the same as the US in terms of niceness vs Mexico.)

Also, wasn't there recently a study published that said that "illegals" are actually LESS of a burden on the healthcare system, or something?

The point is that it wouldn't be an issue if there were a bunch of white blondes that came over and "took ar jibs". It's the gay marriage of this election cycle, meaning it's a totally meaningless issue that gets republican voters off their asses when real issues won't.

12AX7 · « **Reply #91 on:** January 10, 2008, 07:35:05 AM »

It seems Obama is a fucking racist.

From his site: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigration/

Create Secure Borders
Obama wants to preserve the integrity of our borders. He supports additional personnel, infrastructure and technology on the border and at our ports of entry.

Improve Our Immigration System
Obama believes we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill.

Remove Incentives to Enter Illegally
Obama will remove incentives to enter the country illegally by cracking down on employers who hire undocumented immigrants.

Bring People Out of the Shadows
Obama supports a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

Crazy. I thought you had to be white and in power to be racist.

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #92 on:** January 10, 2008, 10:27:49 AM »

It's a little different when someone else has already made it an issue, and you are a politician trying to say certain things to make yourself as attractive as possible to the greatest number of people. However I see nothing especially racist about being for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. Even the learn English part is ok as long as it's not a requirement.

Find out if he's for affirmative action. If so, then he's a racist.

12AX7 · « **Reply #93 on:** January 10, 2008, 11:06:26 AM »

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 10, 2008, 10:27:49 AM

It's a little different when someone else has already made it an issue, and you are a politician trying to say certain things to make yourself as attractive as possible to the greatest number of people.

Yeh, you're right, I know; I was just using smartassery to point out there are valid points regarding immigration that aren't race/culture/nationality based.

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 10, 2008, 10:27:49 AM

However I see nothing especially racist about being for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. Even the learn English part is ok as long as it's not a requirement.

I posited that very idea earlier in the thread (except requiring English) and was called a racist; even after specifically stating this would apply to ANYone here illegally (even Canadians!). I'm NOT for "open borders" OR "amnesty"; but JeeZeus, there's so many options to work with I dont understand why everyone seems to go straight to either "Get them outta here and build a Great Wall of US" or "Leave them totally alone and anyone else who wants to come here, too" and no one from either side even hears anything else.

Quote from: Joe Sixpack on January 10, 2008, 10:27:49 AM

Find out if he's for affirmative action. If so, then he's a racist.

LMFAO

pbsaurus · « **Reply #94 on:** January 10, 2008, 01:20:43 PM »

This is both relevant and amusing

12AX7 · « **Reply #95 on:** January 10, 2008, 01:25:58 PM »

lol...

These people's claim to the land has been ignored for too long by usurpers like the Palestinians, The Jews, The Arabs, the Franks, The Turks, the Persians, The Greeks, The Romans, The Persians again, the Philistines, the Hittites, The Babylonians, The Sumerians, the Neanderthals, Homo Erectus, Australopithecus, Australopithecus Gigantes, chimpanzees, and monkeys with tails. The Bible is God's Word.

Agent_Tachyon · « **Reply #96 on:** January 10, 2008, 11:45:58 PM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on January 10, 2008, 11:06:26 AM

(even Canadians!)

Would you mind if a Canadian illegally immigrated, but didn't pay taxes because he doesn't trust the government to use his money wisely (nothing personal about yours, he hates them all), and never used a government service. He doesn't go to the hospital, he doesn't go near the police. Doesn't cause any trouble, and is in fact a positive contributor to the community. He speaks plain English (and French and a little Spanish), and is trained in a number of jobs to stimulate the economy. He's a model citizen. But he's not, you know?

12AX7 · « **Reply #97 on:** January 11, 2008, 02:20:47 AM »

Like a member of a sleeper cell?

There's no way to NOT use "government services" that are funded by taxes. Roads and highways are generally paid for with tax dollars (except toll roads), if he is ever robbed; the police will most likely be involved- especially if he is assaulted in the process- they are paid with tax dollars. What job would he have that could stimulate the economy, yet wouldn't be subject to taxes? How would he get TO such a job?
My problem isn't that people are coming here; everyone is welcome in my view, (the same as my house) - just please; have some respect and knock on the door and allow me to let you in. Don't just roll on in like you have some inherent claim to be here; in the process breaking our laws right off the bat; and then get upset when you are prosecuted for it.
That being said, I'm well aware of the hassle it is to actually go through the immigration process (I've indeed DONE it); and I think this should be one of the FIRSt focuses in the solution to this issue. Reform the process to come here legally. Why come illegally if it's reasonable and efficient to get residency?

Joe Sixpack · « **Reply #98 on:** January 11, 2008, 10:08:45 AM »

Legal and illegal are not the same as right and wrong, and don't ever let The Man convince you otherwise.

12AX7 · « **Reply #99 on:** January 11, 2008, 10:36:47 AM »

That's true; but they don't prosecute right and/or wrong.

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