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Main Forums => Political Opinions => Topic started by: Crystalmonkey on January 24, 2006, 02:16:24 PM
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Alright, here is the first "chapter".
What is religion? I mean a true/total definition for it, not something like "a system of beliefs based around rituals."
Even a list would be fine, but there should probably be reasons for each point.
1) A rigid system of beliefs that barely changed and struggles to adapt.... etc....
What are the obvious purposes of religion and what are the not so obvious purposes?
What are the pros/cons to religious beliefs? (To both individuals and societies)
Is there a difference between a religion and a cult? (Why or why not)
That should do it for now, if anyone has anything else to add feel free =)
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FYI, I'm not ignoring this...I'm still thinking.
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What is religion? I mean a true/total definition for it, not something like "a system of beliefs based around rituals."
Religion is a snowmobile speeding along the tundra, hitting a rock and flipping over. At night the ice weasels come. Or something to that effect.
Even a list would be fine, but there should probably be reasons for each point.
A means of control of the masses
A means for a few to obtain power
A means to give comfort with respect to the unknown
It is generally like folklore and is handed down generationally
It is not for me.
Is usually hierachical.
1) A rigid system of beliefs that barely changed and struggles to adapt.... etc....
I wouldn't say barely changed. Religions are quite dynamic based on the whims of whomever happens to be in charge at the time, be it a pope, imam, seer, or head meatball (I propose that us pastafarians, make that our earthly top dog). Because most religions predate written documentation, they propogated verbally, and we all know how the game 'telephone' works.
What are the obvious purposes of religion and what are the not so obvious purposes?
It depends on the person.
Religion itself serves as a means to control, a key to power, a means of communication, etc. It can provide a sense of community. It can serve as a moral doctrine. It can be an excuse to discriminate against others. It can be used as a pretext for war, for violence, for exclusion, for inclusion.
What are the pros/cons to religious beliefs? (To both individuals and societies)
Pro and con depends upon perspective. If I'm seeking to hold power over people, religion can be a pro, since it is a time tested tool for controlling others. Whereas if I'm a solipsist, religion doesn't even have to exist.
Is there a difference between a religion and a cult? (Why or why not) Just in perspective. Religion generally has better marketing.
That should do it for now, if anyone has anything else to add feel free =)
Everything you always wanted to know about religion can probably be gleaned from Monty Python's Life Of Brian.
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Alright, here is the first "chapter".
What is religion? I mean a true/total definition for it, not something like "a system of beliefs based around rituals."
a means to explain the unexplainable to those who need an explanation
1) A rigid system of beliefs that barely changed and struggles to adapt.... etc....
Well, that explains most major organized religions, ie the Big Three, but there are others just as ancient that have managed to do some adapting. Buddhism, Shinto f'rinstance
What are the obvious purposes of religion and what are the not so obvious purposes?
Depends on what religion you're talking about (or to). Most religions started as a code of daily conduct coupled with a driving need to explain the unexplainable mixed with morality/common sense/daily life parables.
What are the pros/cons to religious beliefs? (To both individuals and societies)
Often Individuals find religion easier than having to think through their own spirituality. Lots of mehums like being told what to think, say, do. Societies find religion an easy way to control the population.
Is there a difference between a religion and a cult? (Why or why not)
Meh. PR, mostly
That should do it for now, if anyone has anything else to add feel free =)
I think mebbe I've opened up enough cans....LOL
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a means to explain the unexplainable to those who need an explanation
But no religion actually explains anything - it just goes "God did it" (or these angels, or your dead relatives, or that spaghetti monster) and claps its hands and has a seat.
It's hard to explain anything when your only "evidence" is word of mouth.
Besides, the unexplainable is only unexplainable for so long; I'm sure we'll catch up eventually.
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a means to explain the unexplainable to those who need an explanation
But no religion actually explains anything - it just goes "God did it" (or these angels, or your dead relatives, or that spaghetti monster) and claps its hands and has a seat.
It's hard to explain anything when your only "evidence" is word of mouth.
Besides, the unexplainable is only unexplainable for so long; I'm sure we'll catch up eventually.
Easy for you to say Grelnek, after all you're an omniscient being...
oops, perhaps I've said too much :bolt
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"that's the only way you'll avoid floating in the void" (i hope that translation's good enough)
That's, obviously, not a phrase i came up with, but it does pretty much sum up the way i feel about religion.
Without it there are so many questions that cannot be answered. Being in that situation is really scary for some people and that's when religion comes into place. It gives them the answers and with it a certain security in their life, it conforts them.
That's the porpouse with which religion was born, it's just a way to answer those questions.
Of course then we moved on, something called philosophy appeared along with science. However, they haven't solved everything and so some people still rely on religion so they don't have to think about those unsolved mysteries. It does make things easier.
PS
this is quite offtopic but… was eve a midget?
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You mean this midget:
(http://venganza.org/him2.jpg)
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was eve a midget?
Given the average height of people at the time, she might be considered small by todays standards.
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Religion is what I find after my first daily bowel movement.
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Religion is what I find after my first daily bowel movement.
Thanks for that stellar contribution! 8)
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a problem with bathroom popes.
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Religion:
1. A means of control of the masses
2. A means for a few to obtain power
C. It is generally like folklore and is handed down generationally
4. It is not for me.
5. Is usually hierachical.
Spirituality:
A. A means to give comfort with respect to the unknown
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What is religion?
Religion is a means to an end, be it personal enlightenment, seeking the answers to the great philosophical questions of life, the universe and everything (the stuff, not the book) through various teachings, lifestyle requirements, and ideologies.
What are the obvious purposes of religion and what are the not so obvious purposes?
Religion, ultimately, seems to provide for that superficial need in almost every human brain that we are somehow significant in some way or another, and that our existence as a sentient, thinking race, is more than just a chance happening in the vast, near-infinite cosmos, as well as providing "answers" to events, occurances, and phenomena that we as of yet do not, nor do we have the means to, understand. It is through use of this "knowledge" that one begins to see manipulations by human leaders with claims to "divine" power, wisdom, or even right to rule. Religion ensures that the followers have a false sense of order in truly random and chaotic situations.
What are the pros/cons to religious beliefs? (To both individuals and societies)
Fanaticism and power, in some cases.... and depending which side of the issue one sits on, these are considered to be either good or bad. It gives a sense of grounding, and in many cases, keeps us from reverting to our more primal and feral mindsets. society and religion are, for the most part, intertwined, and the dominant religion of any country tends to dictate the social and ethical code followed by those residing in these places. These are both both positive and negative points, depending on the situation.
Is there a difference between a religion and a cult? (Why or why not)
No. A cult is nothing more than a fringe religion, and the major organised religions of the world are, by definition, cults.
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Cult vs. Religion
The wiki definition of cult is this: "a cult is a cohesive group of people (often a relatively small and recently founded religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream" I think that it is pretty good. Cohesive might be too soft though...inmeshed would be better. I would also add "obsessively" before "devoted." But the key to the definition is the end...a cult is defined by what society at large finds to be beyond the pale of "normal." As nebulus as that sounds, that is the best possible definition.
While cults fall under the large umbrella or religion...I would make a division between the two. Religion is a human endeavor to seek out something bigger than humanity, whether it be the divine, the universe, interconnectedness, etc. Non-cult religion can be practiced by its devotees while they still function "normally" in society. Thus, Baptists are a members of a religion...Budhists are members of a religion...Heaven's Gate followerd were members of a cult...Branch Davidians are members of a cult (there still are a few of them too!).
Further in the wiki definition of cult is this little gem: "a religious or non-religious group that tends to manipulate, exploit, and control its members." Cults attempt to use people for some nefarious purpose. Non-cult religion does not...it attempts to teach and guide people to peace, love, and connectedness with each other, themselves, and the divine.
In short...cults have bad purposes and non-cult religions have noble purposes.
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Cult vs. Religion
In short...cults have bad purposes and non-cult religions have noble purposes.
But isn't good and bad all about your personal maorals, and because of this the members of said cult would actually believe that they were doing the right thing, and if so, then they might percieve mainstream religions to be cults. just a thought.
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Cults do not necessarly have bad purposes and religions certainly don't always have noble purposes.
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The only difference between a cult and a religion is 100 years.
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I thought it was marketing.
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I thought it was Kool-Aid.
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Kool-Aid is marketing.
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You're right. I was actually thinking of Flavor Aid. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Aid) Grape, to be precise.
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The best definition of a cult is akin to the definition of porn.
It has to do with mainstream opinion. If most people think that pictures of penises going in vaginas is porn, then it is porn. In other words, porn lays outside what people consider normal photography, video, etc.
Cults lay outside what people consider normal religion. And most people tend to believe that normal religion is not out to get people to kill themselves or others, etc.
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This (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-harris15mar15,0,5899452.story?coll=la-opinion-center) was in the LA Times this morning. The link will expire very soon, so I'm posting it in full below.
God's dupes
Moderate believers give cover to religious fanatics -- and are every bit as delusional.
By Sam Harris, SAM HARRIS is the author of "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason" and "Letter to a Christian Nation."
March 15, 2007
PETE STARK, a California Democrat, appears to be the first congressman in U.S. history to acknowledge that he doesn't believe in God. In a country in which 83% of the population thinks that the Bible is the literal or "inspired" word of the creator of the universe, this took political courage.
Of course, one can imagine that Cicero's handlers in the 1st century BC lost some sleep when he likened the traditional accounts of the Greco-Roman gods to the "dreams of madmen" and to the "insane mythology of Egypt."
Mythology is where all gods go to die, and it seems that Stark has secured a place in American history simply by admitting that a fresh grave should be dug for the God of Abraham — the jealous, genocidal, priggish and self-contradictory tyrant of the Bible and the Koran. Stark is the first of our leaders to display a level of intellectual honesty befitting a consul of ancient Rome. Bravo.
The truth is, there is not a person on Earth who has a good reason to believe that Jesus rose from the dead or that Muhammad spoke to the angel Gabriel in a cave. And yet billions of people claim to be certain about such things. As a result, Iron Age ideas about everything high and low — sex, cosmology, gender equality, immortal souls, the end of the world, the validity of prophecy, etc. — continue to divide our world and subvert our national discourse. Many of these ideas, by their very nature, hobble science, inflame human conflict and squander scarce resources.
Of course, no religion is monolithic. Within every faith one can see people arranged along a spectrum of belief. Picture concentric circles of diminishing reasonableness: At the center, one finds the truest of true believers — the Muslim jihadis, for instance, who not only support suicidal terrorism but who are the first to turn themselves into bombs; or the Dominionist Christians, who openly call for homosexuals and blasphemers to be put to death.
Outside this sphere of maniacs, one finds millions more who share their views but lack their zeal. Beyond them, one encounters pious multitudes who respect the beliefs of their more deranged brethren but who disagree with them on small points of doctrine — of course the world is going to end in glory and Jesus will appear in the sky like a superhero, but we can't be sure it will happen in our lifetime.
Out further still, one meets religious moderates and liberals of diverse hues — people who remain supportive of the basic scheme that has balkanized our world into Christians, Muslims and Jews, but who are less willing to profess certainty about any article of faith. Is Jesus really the son of God? Will we all meet our grannies again in heaven? Moderates and liberals are none too sure.
Those on this spectrum view the people further toward the center as too rigid, dogmatic and hostile to doubt, and they generally view those outside as corrupted by sin, weak-willed or unchurched.
The problem is that wherever one stands on this continuum, one inadvertently shelters those who are more fanatical than oneself from criticism. Ordinary fundamentalist Christians, by maintaining that the Bible is the perfect word of God, inadvertently support the Dominionists — men and women who, by the millions, are quietly working to turn our country into a totalitarian theocracy reminiscent of John Calvin's Geneva. Christian moderates, by their lingering attachment to the unique divinity of Jesus, protect the faith of fundamentalists from public scorn. Christian liberals — who aren't sure what they believe but just love the experience of going to church occasionally — deny the moderates a proper collision with scientific rationality. And in this way centuries have come and gone without an honest word being spoken about God in our society.
People of all faiths — and none — regularly change their lives for the better, for good and bad reasons. And yet such transformations are regularly put forward as evidence in support of a specific religious creed. President Bush has cited his own sobriety as suggestive of the divinity of Jesus. No doubt Christians do get sober from time to time — but Hindus (polytheists) and atheists do as well. How, therefore, can any thinking person imagine that his experience of sobriety lends credence to the idea that a supreme being is watching over our world and that Jesus is his son?
There is no question that many people do good things in the name of their faith — but there are better reasons to help the poor, feed the hungry and defend the weak than the belief that an Imaginary Friend wants you to do it. Compassion is deeper than religion. As is ecstasy. It is time that we acknowledge that human beings can be profoundly ethical — and even spiritual — without pretending to know things they do not know.
Let us hope that Stark's candor inspires others in our government to admit their doubts about God. Indeed, it is time we broke this spell en masse. Every one of the world's "great" religions utterly trivializes the immensity and beauty of the cosmos. Books like the Bible and the Koran get almost every significant fact about us and our world wrong. Every scientific domain — from cosmology to psychology to economics — has superseded and surpassed the wisdom of Scripture.
Everything of value that people get from religion can be had more honestly, without presuming anything on insufficient evidence. The rest is self-deception, set to music.
Spot on.
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For emphasis:
The problem is that wherever one stands on this continuum, one inadvertently shelters those who are more fanatical than oneself from criticism. Ordinary fundamentalist Christians, by maintaining that the Bible is the perfect word of God, inadvertently support the Dominionists — men and women who, by the millions, are quietly working to turn our country into a totalitarian theocracy reminiscent of John Calvin's Geneva. Christian moderates, by their lingering attachment to the unique divinity of Jesus, protect the faith of fundamentalists from public scorn. Christian liberals — who aren't sure what they believe but just love the experience of going to church occasionally — deny the moderates a proper collision with scientific rationality. And in this way centuries have come and gone without an honest word being spoken about God in our society.
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Very good article.
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Excellent. I've been meaning to read his latest book.
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The Pope ordered the crusades, while "Bob" ordered slacking off. One of these people heads a 'noble religion' and one founded an 'evil cult'.
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It irritates me when people use absolutes inappropriately.
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It irritates me when people use absolutes inappropriately.
It always annoys me most of the time, too.
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Yeah, it never fails to occassionally piss me off, too.
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I think we should burn all the extremists alive.
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You guys are absolutely right :)
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I think we should burn all the extremists alive.
Bad idea, they will be martyrs.
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No... not to death... just burn them. Alive.
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I think we should burn all the extremists alive.
You definitely sound almost like Evonus.
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Yeah, it's not Halloween yet. I got dibs on Lacerda this year!
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You definitely sound almost like Evonus.
I don't recall that he has a penchant for irony.
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OHHHHMMPentel
OHHHHMMCross
OHHHHMMPilot
OHHHHMMWaterman
OHHHHMMSheaffer
OHHHMMMBIC
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Lions and tigers and bears.
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Those were penchants, by the way.
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Those were penchants, by the way.
Heh. +1 for teh funny and for an excellent article find. Spot on indeed.
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Those were penchants, by the way.
OHHHHMREALLY
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Extremeist...Hm...Me and them types of people don't get along. That's why I always fight with my grandmother. This is like the Gay marriage thing with me. You live your life and I'll screw mine up on my own. ^.^ I don't need help doing that. When I die I'll go where I go.
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Well you better be more decisive than that, you could burn for infinity if you're wrong!
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You definitely sound almost like Evonus.
I do tend to dislike extremists.
But anyway, why was this topic bumped again! It had nothing important in it the first time. :|
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Well you better be more decisive than that, you could burn for infinity if you're wrong!
Well I do have my own beleifs. They are what the general public says is right. If I burn in "hell" for all eterniaty then I will accept my fate because it's what I chose to do in life that led me there.
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Well I do have my own beleifs. They are what the general public says is right.
The general public drinks from the same water hole they leave their volumous dead to fester in. Screw the majority, you're not your fucking khakis! Burn down a building, start a fight, rage against the machine already!
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They are what the general public says is right.
This is a very dangerous way of thinking. For a time, the general public thought slavery as A-OK.
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The general public is a bunch of sheep that are lead around by the rich.
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The general public drinks from the same water hole they leave their volumous dead to fester in. Screw the majority, you're not your fucking khakis! Burn down a building, start a fight, rage against the machine already!
Exactly. ^.^ Few people see it my way. I mean not even my family accepts me. It was because of religion me and my grandma almost got in a fist fight last christmas. How lovely when people turn on their family?
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It was because of religion me and my grandma almost got in a fist fight last christmas.
Better luck next time.
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It was because of religion me and my grandma almost got in a fist fight last christmas.
I've got 50 bucks on grandma.
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I've got another fifty (Canadian) if she's a Baptist, and twenty if she's a Catholic.
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^.^
Also, are you an unusually happy person? No, then STOP WITH THE SMILIES in the majority of your posts. One last thing, using the Asian variants of smilies does not make you hip and happening. It makes you a fucking poser.
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:-D People say I'm unusually happy :-D
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Also, are you an unusually happy person? No, then STOP WITH THE SMILIES in the majority of your posts. One last thing, using the Asian variants of smilies does not make you hip and happening. It makes you a fucking poser.
You can't hate Elensar for that yet, they're new. Unfortunately 99% of other forums have members that do that shit rampantly. :cry:
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You can't hate Elensar for that yet, they're new. Unfortunately 99% of other forums have members that do that shit rampantly. :cry:
Why would you even attempt to try to tell me what I can or cannot do? I don't care how new he/she is. I don't care what happens on other forums. So far, you've managed to mostly stay out of this, and in the process you have managed to not piss me off. I would appreciate it if you would resume that effort.
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Geez Vespertine, you make me want to slink off to the nearest corner, and I haven't even done anything wrong.
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Why would you even attempt to try to tell me what I can or cannot do? I don't care how new he/she is. I don't care what happens on other forums. So far, you've managed to mostly stay out of this, and in the process you have managed to not piss me off. I would appreciate it if you would resume that effort.
It was a simple note, no need to get all up in arms about it. I just don't see why you always to have to harass the newbies, because they aren't 100% assimilated to the forum from the moment they join. Also, I don't care who I piss off or who doesn't like it, I'm going to state my opinion when I feel it's necessary. If that upsets you, then for one you're letting little shit bother you far too much, and that also sucks to be you, because I really don't care. So in short, cry about it, I'm not going out of my way to avoid stepping on your toes; so pull the stick out of your ass.
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:cry: :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink: :? :? :? :-( :-( :-( :x :x 8-) 8-) :lol: :lol: :lol: :evil: :evil: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I used up everyone's quota for the week. No more smilies. End of story, eh?
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:cry: :evil: :evil: :evil: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink: :? :? :? :-( :-( :-( :x :x 8-) 8-) :lol: :lol: :lol: :evil: :evil: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I used up everyone's quota for the week. No more smilies. End of story, eh?
All hail the peacemaker.
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This thread has inspired me. I have a devious idea. More of an experiment really. I'm thinking Evonus should be made a moderator. :-o
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wouldn't he be a moderathurrrrrrr?
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Also, are you an unusually happy person? No, then STOP WITH THE SMILIES in the majority of your posts. One last thing, using the Asian variants of smilies does not make you hip and happening. It makes you a fucking poser.
This is why I love you so much. I'm going to be giving you +1 every hour for the rest of the day just for this. :-D
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This thread has inspired me. I have a devious idea. More of an experiment really. I'm thinking Evonus should be made a moderator. :-o
You know, that's a great idea.
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I think everybody with more than 1269 posts should be a moderator.
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This thread has inspired me. I have a devious idea. More of an experiment really. I'm thinking Evonus should be made a moderator. :-o
Sounds like an excellent idea to me.
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It was a simple note, no need to get all up in arms about it. I just don't see why you always to have to harass the newbies, because they aren't 100% assimilated to the forum from the moment they join. Also, I don't care who I piss off or who doesn't like it, I'm going to state my opinion when I feel it's necessary. If that upsets you, then for one you're letting little shit bother you far too much, and that also sucks to be you, because I really don't care. So in short, cry about it, I'm not going out of my way to avoid stepping on your toes; so pull the stick out of your ass.
You realize that you're incredibly predictable, right? The formula goes like this: someone else is having a conversation, Evonus jumps in uninvited, Evonus gets shut down, Evonus flies off the handle because he's been victimized. You need a new shtick.
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This is why I love you so much. I'm going to be giving you +1 every hour for the rest of the day just for this. :-D
Aw shucks...
...and a +1 for you. I'm all about reciprocation, baby!
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You realize that you're incredibly predictable, right? The formula goes like this: someone else is having a conversation, Evonus jumps in uninvited, Evonus gets shut down, Evonus flies off the handle because he's been victimized. You need a new shtick.
I didn't fly off the handle. You're the one who threw a shit fit because I made a comment. The point I was trying to get across, is that I'll enter into discussion when I feel like it, and if you don't like it, you can eat shit. You act like I lose sleep over what you say.
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Why is this being put up with?
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This aggression will not stand, man.
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Why is this being put up with?
I like bunnies.
I also like Shakespeare.
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Why is this being put up with?
Do I need to strike up the violin team for you Ivan?
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Do I need to strike up the violin team for you Ivan?
Egads ... what Mondo~Grande~Huevonus You have there fella'
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Sufficiently advanced moranity is indistinguishable from courage.
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Any moranity not indistinguishable from courage is insufficiently advanced.
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I have long believed that.
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Moranity?
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Moranity (http://memewatch.com/thelist/archives/pix/morans.jpg).
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Moranites, the Moranish Worshippers of the Mighty Goddess Moranitiis.
I think some of them are discovering Web Design(LINK now broken-meh) (http://www.moranity.co.uk/moranity/index.htm)
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Oh my, I can't believe I missed such an excellent meme. :cry:
I must give up the few hours a day I spend away from the forum.
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Why is this being put up with?
The geekery needs a mascott dammit! OMFGLOL!!11
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The geekery needs a mascott dammit! OMFGLOL!!11
You mean whipping boy, right? Are we making an example of him?
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The geekery needs a mascott dammit! OMFGLOL!!11
Why do I have to be the mascott?
You mean whipping boy, right?
I am definitely the whipping boi, in the sense that I do loves the whipping. :wink:
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I am definitely the whipping boy, in the sense that I do the whipping. :wink:
As your biggest and probably only supporter, I should probably point out that even I'll smack you down for that one.
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Why do I have to be the mascott?
Because your inflated head fits snugly inside the costume.
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You can't hate Elensar for that yet, they're new.
I was reading what I missed, and...apparently I missed the bit where Elensar is more than one person. "they're", eh?
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Elen'Sar
maybe she's a contraction
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She's having contractions?
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IT'S A NOOB!
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As your biggest and probably only supporter, I should probably point out that even I'll smack you down for that one.
Are you really my only supporter? I have to have more fans than just 1!?
Because your inflated head fits snugly inside the costume.
That was honestly pretty funny.
I was reading what I missed, and...apparently I missed the bit where Elensar is more than one person. "they're", eh?
I wasn't sure which gender to use, so I went with a term that doesn't imply gender.
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Elen'Sar
Elen'saurus??
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Elen'Degenasaurus, with the obligatory intervening evolution of course.
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I wasn't sure which gender to use, so I went with a term that doesn't imply gender.
Hint: It is customary to use the Feminine when referencing Females.
... You're welcome.
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Hint: It is customary to use the Feminine when referencing Females.
... You're welcome.
Wow really! My life now has a new direction!
But seriously, I wasn't sure what gender Elensar is. I thought she was a girl, but I didn't want to make an assumption and offend her, so I didn't.
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I hear ya man, If I thought She was a Girl, I wouldn't want to make that assumption either !!!
...what's a guy to do, Hax0r her profile ??? ... I think NoT !
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Wow really! My life now has a new direction!
But seriously, I wasn't sure what gender Elensar is. I thought she was a girl, but I didn't want to make an assumption and offend her, so I didn't.
Since when are you worried about offending the chixX0rs?
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Since he forgot how to click on "Profile" and see:
Female
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In my own little world
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Big on mouth, short on branes.
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It’s understood that in the online world, everyone is considered to be male unless otherwise stated.
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Mostly I'm not a fan of using "they" when referring to a singular being. I'm really trying to cut down. :|
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Since when are you worried about offending the chixX0rs?
I honestly don't consider anything I say to be offensive. I'm not out to offend people, usually, most of what I say that's considered offensive is said in jest. However, confusing someones gender could be considered offensive.
Big on mouth, short on branes.
I have plenty of brains. It's just that common sense things allude me.
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I honestly don't consider anything I say to be offensive.
Of course not. Most of what you write is offensively stupid. You can't do that on purpose.
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I honestly don't consider anything I say to be offensive. I'm not out to offend people, usually, most of what I say that's considered offensive is said in jest.
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"you can eat shit", "pull the stick out of your ass", "Do I need to strike up the violin team", "moron", "you haven't been through what I have", "you have never felt what I have felt", "I just make sexist jokes because I find them more amusing than many other types of jokes".
So, you're not out to offend people, yet you say things like the above examples, and you say them on a regular basis. Said in jest...point to which one of those examples was intended to be a joke. You don't consider anything you say to be offensive...maybe you should rethink that once more, before you go declaring yourself a paragon of objectivity.
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"you can eat shit", "pull the stick out of your ass", "Do I need to strike up the violin team", "moron", "you haven't been through what I have", "you have never felt what I have felt", "I just make sexist jokes because I find them more amusing than many other types of jokes".
So, you're not out to offend people, yet you say things like the above examples, and you say them on a regular basis. Said in jest...point to which one of those examples was intended to be a joke. You don't consider anything you say to be offensive...maybe you should rethink that once more, before you go declaring yourself a paragon of objectivity.
Okay, here I'll separate these for you:
Offensive from my point of view
-"you can eat shit"
-"pull the stick out of your ass"
-"moron"
Not Offensive:
-"Do I need to strike up the violin team"
-"I just make sexist jokes because I find them more amusing than many other types of jokes".
The other two I can't figure out why you listed them. I don't even see how you could take them as a joke or insult. They were merely explaining my point of view in a political discussion.
But yes, the post where I did say things that were supposed to be offensive, were because in the post before you exploded on me over nothing. I'm not going to be nice if you don't respect me, but I think that's standard for most people. If you respect me I won't be a jerk to you, but it has to go both ways, I'm not going to act kind while you verbally abuse me.
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So...in your opinion....do you consider anything you say to be offensive?
BTW, I think she put the last remark in there because SEXIST JOKES ARE OFFENSIVE TO WOMEN.
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So...in your opinion....do you consider anything you say to be offensive?
BTW, I think she put the last remark in there because SEXIST JOKES ARE OFFENSIVE TO WOMEN.
I don't consider most of what I say to be offensive. I don't take things as offensively as most. I take most of what's said by anyone as a joke, unless it has some sort of consequence attached. In real life and online the people I get along best with are the people I trade insults with most frequently. But since not everyone is like that I'll respect our differences. I promise not to make any more sexist jokes, seeing how they do seem to be offending people, which is not my goal. Besides that I'll try not to say things that'll bother people unless I'm antagonized; however, like I've said, my view of what's offensive is different from yours, so bear with me.
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bear with me.
No.
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By the way, if anyone needs a refresher on this specimen's forum social skills, here he is right out of the box: HUUURRRRRRRRR! (http://www.geekforum.org/index.php/topic,3784.0.html)
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Bizb's story about his specialness is classic.
I know I'm special because a doctor told me so!
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The important thing to remember here is that if I think it's not offensive then it MUST not be offensive to anybody else either!
WHY CAN'T YOU DOLTS SEE THAT? :x
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(http://www.ntsb.gov/events/1999/bourbonnais/amtrak5.jpg)
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The important thing to remember here is that if I think it's not offensive then it MUST not be offensive to anybody else either!
WHY CAN'T YOU DOLTS SEE THAT? :x
Did someone offend you Xolly?
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By the way, if anyone needs a refresher on this specimen's forum social skills, here he is right out of the box: HUUURRRRRRRRR! (http://www.geekforum.org/index.php/topic,3784.0.html)
You have to admit, I have gotten better. :-D
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Beep beep, Richie.
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Beep beep, Richie.
You'll float too.
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We all float.
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By the way, if anyone needs a refresher on this specimen's forum social skills, here he is right out of the box: HUUURRRRRRRRR! (http://www.geekforum.org/index.php/topic,3784.0.html)
If I'd pushed the button back then like I wanted to...
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If I'd pushed the button back then like I wanted to...
Come on, think of all the great memories you'd have missed out on.
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Come on, think of all the great memories you'd have missed out on.
In exchange for missing out on the funny?
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I think Evonus has been very funny.
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I think Evonus has been very funny.
Thank you agent! That's the first kind thing that's been said about me in this thread. :cry:
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I admire your tenacity, Evonus.
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I admire your tenacity, Evonus.
I suppose that's a compliment.
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It was.