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Title: Religion kills
Post by: 12AX7 on January 24, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100123/wl_africa_afp/nigeriaunrestreligion (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100123/wl_africa_afp/nigeriaunrestreligion)

Yay. 150+ dead . . . no reason. Just religion.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on January 24, 2010, 11:17:47 PM
MY GOD HAS A BIGGER DICK THAN  YOUR GOD  :x
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: 12AX7 on January 25, 2010, 01:39:59 AM
MY GOD HAS A BIGGER DICK THAN  YOUR GOD  :x

 Hmm.  So would it be sacrilegious for a man to convert because of that??


Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: FragMagnet on January 25, 2010, 11:34:56 AM
Hmm.  So would it be sacrilegious for a man to convert because of that??

Not unless the Religion you convert from states that it's acceptable.

I doubt such a Religion exists, in spite of similar comparisons to that extent.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on January 25, 2010, 09:20:10 PM
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8899/religionip.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/religionip.jpg/)
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: FragMagnet on January 26, 2010, 11:51:21 AM
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8899/religionip.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/religionip.jpg/)
That is so awesome.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 26, 2010, 04:37:52 PM

I doubt such a Religion exists, in spite of similar comparisons to that extent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallic_worship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallic_worship)
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: FragMagnet on January 27, 2010, 01:35:11 PM
I'm impressed, disappointed and unsurprised all at once.

Disappointed because I really should have known better.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: never_justice on January 29, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
as a newbie on this site i would just like to say
RELIGION FUCKING SUCKS!!
not only does it kill but makes people bloody mental.
plus christianity is the worst, they should quit taking other religious beliefs and twisting it to their own!!!
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:01:17 PM

plus christianity is the worst, they should quit taking other religious beliefs and twisting it to their own!!!

For example?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: never_justice on January 29, 2010, 03:06:47 PM
christmas being celebrated 25th december, well thats completely wrong 25th december celebrates a pagan god.
the way satan is portrayed..pagan again
halloween...pagan/celt
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:13:12 PM
christmas being celebrated 25th december, well thats completely wrong 25th december celebrates a pagan god.
the way satan is portrayed..pagan again
halloween...pagan/celt


Well, Christians haven't co-opted Halloween yet. It's still pretty profane.

And I think it was a Winter Solstice celebration that Christmas piggy-backed on -- not really a sacred occasion for the pagans, but more of an excuse to party.

In any case, it seems to me like Christians have long ago "quit taking other religious beliefs and twisting it to their own". Unless you detect some vague Buddhist overtones in Vatican II.


Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: never_justice on January 29, 2010, 03:17:43 PM
each to their own.
i think much is wrong with chrisianity, not trying to offend anyone here
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: reimero on January 29, 2010, 03:19:05 PM
as a newbie on this site i would just like to say
RELIGION FUCKING SUCKS!!
not only does it kill but makes people bloody mental.
plus christianity is the worst, they should quit taking other religious beliefs and twisting it to their own!!!
So you deny that the Bible is the literal, verbatim Word of God, directly from His mouth?  You make me sick!



Unless, of course, you're Muslim, in which case I'd ask if you deny that the Qu'ran is the literal, verbatim word of Allah, blessings and peace be upon him, to Muhammad, his one true prophet.

Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:21:37 PM
So you deny that the Bible is the literal, verbatim Word of God, directly from His mouth?  You make me sick!



Unless, of course, you're Muslim, in which case I'd ask if you deny that the Qu'ran is the literal, verbatim word of Allah, blessings and peace be upon him, to Muhammad, his one true prophet.



Ok, smart-ass -- EXPLAIN THE BANANA.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: BizB on January 29, 2010, 03:23:44 PM
Banana Skittles?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: reimero on January 29, 2010, 03:25:03 PM
One word.  Bananaskittles.  I think it may have something to do with the "being fruitful and multiplying" part.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:25:58 PM
Yeah, I wonder what Kirk Cameron would say about Banana Skittles. Is Banana Skittles proof that God exists?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:26:36 PM
Oh, sorry, one word. Bananaskittles. Didn't mean to blaspheme.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: reimero on January 29, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
Is God proof that Bananaskittles exists?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: All_Knowing_Ham on January 29, 2010, 03:29:16 PM
I see you.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: BizB on January 29, 2010, 03:29:22 PM
*blink*
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
That's pretty scary.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: never_justice on January 29, 2010, 03:33:05 PM
why wouldn't i deny it?
but then if you believe every thing in the bible do you believe in incest?? it's clearly in there!!
and if this apparent "god" is so wonderful why banish satan to hell for not wanting to love us, only him?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: reimero on January 29, 2010, 03:36:49 PM
I believe in incest, genocide, terrorism, pandemics and poverty.

That doesn't mean I think they're good.  It just means I believe they exist.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: BizB on January 29, 2010, 03:37:10 PM
Incest is best; put your sister to the test!
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:38:01 PM
Ok, to qualify as proof that God exists, you have to meet the following criteria:


So there you go.

I am proof that God exists.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: reimero on January 29, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
Ok, to qualify as proof that God exists, you have to meet the following criteria:

  • Have a non-slip surface.
  • Have a perforated wrapper.
  • Have an intuitive ripeness indicator.
  • Fit well in our hands.
  • Have an easy-access tab.

So there you go.

I am proof that God exists.


I am intrigued by your theology.  Do you offer an intro course?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: BizB on January 29, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
I like what you have to say.  Can I subscribe to your newsletter?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 03:55:06 PM
why wouldn't i deny it?
but then if you believe every thing in the bible do you believe in incest?? it's clearly in there!!
and if this apparent "god" is so wonderful why banish satan to hell for not wanting to love us, only him?

The Bible as an historical document is fascinating, isn't it? People were sure weird 3,000 years ago.

We know better now.

And who knows? Maybe if God could do it all over again, he'd go easier on Lucifer, seeing as banishing him created more problems for God than maybe it was worth.

Look, you can hate religion if you want. It's ok. But there's a hell of a lot more to it than the simplistic issues you brought up. Like it or not, your personal culture as a Westerner is inextricably bound to Christian tradition. The very fact that you take a moral stand on anything, even against religion, makes you an inheritor of values that were shaped in a Christian culture.

Have you read the Bible? Not as a sacred artifact, but, you know, like a novel?

A lot of it is monotonous, but some of it kicks ass. And it helps to know a little about the things you publicly denounce.

For instance, here is a hint: The God-banished-Lucifer argument isn't really effective. Most people don't take that bit litterally. Use the millions-have-been-killed-in-the-name-of-religion argument, or the religion-fosters-intollerance argument instead.

Do you believe that man-caused climate change is an imminent catastrophe?

Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on January 29, 2010, 04:30:15 PM
RELIGION FUCKING SUCKS!!
not only does it kill but makes people bloody mental.
plus christianity is the worst

not trying to offend anyone here

If your 'god' is so powerful can he make a rock he can't lift? Heh. Check and mate, theist.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 05:31:25 PM
If your 'god' is so powerful can he make a rock he can't lift? Heh. Check and mate, theist.



Quote
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

--Epicurus
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on January 29, 2010, 05:48:29 PM
A long time ago, I had a response to each of those remarks that was something beyond the knee-jerk 'because we don't know His will' and the other trite cop-outs used by beginner theists, but as I grow older I've come to this conclusion:

Fuck it.

Seriously, fuck it.

I'm pretty sure we, as intelligent humans, can agree that one guiding principle in life should be "Don't be a dick to other people". Where you get reinforcement for that idea from is none of my damn business. Be it The Bible, Torah, that one book that I can't spell used by folks over in the MidEast, or "Bill Nye's Guide to Not Being A Raging Dick" (I would TOTALLY read that) just go out there and the best person you can be to as many people as you can.

If, by the time you've hit your mid 20s, you've decided you want no part of that religion\God\FSM thing, then bless ya, I ain't gonna argue with you over it.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 29, 2010, 06:24:19 PM
Be excellent to each other and party on, dudes.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on January 29, 2010, 06:55:50 PM
Do you believe that man-caused climate change is an imminent catastrophe?

Now, speaking of religions....

No, I don't. But it's OK, because if I sin against the Environment, I can always buy some indulgences carbon credits from Pope Leo IX Al Gore and I'll be good again.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: Clear_Runway on January 30, 2010, 02:03:15 AM
Christianity is the worst? did Christianity blow up the WTC?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 30, 2010, 12:09:28 PM
Christianity is the worst? did Christianity blow up the WTC?

You just don't get it. Christianity caused those poor people to feel really bad. They were just expressing themselves.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: h4wt_b3t4 on January 30, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
They were just expressing themselves.

You sound like a kindergarten class teacher.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on January 30, 2010, 07:00:42 PM
Sending Jihadists to kindergarten to learn the golden rule, sip some juice and have a nice nap would probably work wonders.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on February 02, 2010, 11:58:42 AM
Sending Jihadists to kindergarten to learn the golden rule, sip some juice and have a nice nap would probably work wonders.

I want juice and a nice nap.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on February 02, 2010, 12:27:41 PM
Muslims are pissed off at the mayor of Lancaster because the mayor said in an address that Lancaster is 'a growing Christian community.'

One of the outraged Muslims was quoted as saying 'no elected official should force his religion on others' thus effectively burying the irony needle.

Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: FragMagnet on February 02, 2010, 01:06:07 PM
I'm pretty sure we, as intelligent humans, can agree that one guiding principle in life should be "Don't be a dick to other people". Where you get reinforcement for that idea from is none of my damn business. Be it The Bible, Torah, that one book that I can't spell used by folks over in the MidEast, or "Bill Nye's Guide to Not Being A Raging Dick" (I would TOTALLY read that) just go out there and the best person you can be to as many people as you can.

Muslims are pissed off at the mayor of Lancaster because the mayor said in an address that Lancaster is 'a growing Christian community.'

One of the outraged Muslims was quoted as saying 'no elected official should force his religion on others' thus effectively burying the irony needle.

I'm not going to get into specifics; but unfortunately and, as you mentioned, ironically, those who take Religion (or lack thereof) too seriously tend to* be the first people to forget this golden rule.

I personally tend to consider myself agnostic, so I'm almost always the person on the other side of the religious argument - when involved with theists or atheists alike. Having been subjected to both sides of the argument, this subject is one of the most pointless and/or fruitless you could ever try to argue about. "Don't be a dick" are indeed words to live by. If only it were that simple.



*Based on personal experience which is obviously biased.

Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on February 02, 2010, 01:22:38 PM
Having been subjected to both sides of the argument, this subject is one of the most pointless and/or fruitless you could ever try to argue about.


The theist/atheist debate is a stalemate. I haven't seriously argued with a theist in decades.

However, I argue a lot with agnostics.

Sure, the bulk of the argument is over semantics, but still, it's an interesting argument.

One telling aspect: agnostics and atheists have more to argue about than agnostics and theists.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: xolik on February 02, 2010, 01:43:47 PM
Both parties involved, the mayor of Lancaster and the contingent of Angry Muslims, should have known better than to say what they did. I'm starting to suspect the only thing these two religions are really good for nowadays are just trolling the ever lovin' bejeezus out of each other.  :cry:
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: MISTER MASSACRE on February 03, 2010, 10:13:44 AM
Religion? Pfft. Pssht. Thhhppppbbblll.  8-)
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: Clear_Runway on February 03, 2010, 10:52:34 AM
Both parties involved, the mayor of Lancaster and the contingent of Angry Muslims, should have known better than to say what they did. I'm starting to suspect the only thing these two religions are really good for nowadays are just trolling the ever lovin' bejeezus out of each other.  :cry:

religion doesn't kill people. religious people kill people.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: BizB on February 03, 2010, 11:30:05 AM
If you outlaw religion, only the religious guns outlaws will have outlaws abortion guns religion!


errr... something.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: Wunderkind on February 10, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
religion doesn't kill people. religious people kill people.
Religious people don't kill people. Religious people kill infidels.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: LuciferSam on February 11, 2010, 12:15:42 PM
Religious people don't kill infidels, God kills infidels through the hand of the religious man.

That's right, MAN. Toots.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: Wunderkind on February 11, 2010, 01:15:00 PM
Touche and point taken.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: LuciferSam on February 11, 2010, 01:21:19 PM
Excuse me? That's Touché. Let's remember our orthography here. Haven't you read Be Like Mike?

Use l'accent aigu when appropriate, M'KAY? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: Wunderkind on February 11, 2010, 01:28:29 PM
Uh-huh. I don't use those nasty French marks on my computer. It's unAmerican. Geez.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: LuciferSam on February 11, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
Touché.
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: ivan on February 11, 2010, 02:34:53 PM
(http://www.ivandavidoff.com/misc/chesm.jpg) (http://www.ivandavidoff.com/misc/chesm.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: LuciferSam on February 11, 2010, 03:10:19 PM
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Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: Demosthenes on February 11, 2010, 05:29:54 PM
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Point KissMoose?
Title: Re: Religion kills
Post by: LuciferSam on February 11, 2010, 06:05:11 PM
I was thinking  "touch eh" with the northern exposure, but yeah, you can't match Two Che. The man is a genius.

Ivan, that is. Not Ernesto.