Topic: The Apparently Necessary Random Stuff Thread (Read 934640 times)

Wunderkind · « **Reply #3825 on:** November 04, 2008, 11:11:31 PM »

Apparently Necessary Random Update:
It appears we will be eating hope and change for breakfast.

ydnamtnediserp · « **Reply #3826 on:** November 04, 2008, 11:27:46 PM »

it took me 1 hour and 56 minutes to vote today. in the rain. but i did it because i'm.. uh.. tough. or something.

xolik · « **Reply #3827 on:** November 04, 2008, 11:28:08 PM »

If Prop 8 passes, I'm driving to San Fan and punching Gavin in his loud fat mouth.

xolik · « **Reply #3828 on:** November 04, 2008, 11:52:25 PM »

Oh this is utter horseshit. All these anti-gay laws are being passed. Why is this? I'm not a threat to anybody! I'm not out to destroy America or any of that nonsense, I just want the same things everybody else gets. Why is that so bad?

I'm getting depressed now, dammit.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #3829 on:** November 04, 2008, 11:57:47 PM »

Of course you are out to destroy America!

Right along with the blacks and the aliens...

and Sigorny Weaver.

Vespertine · « **Reply #3830 on:** November 05, 2008, 01:33:10 AM »

Quote from: xolik on November 04, 2008, 11:52:25 PM

Oh this is utter horseshit. All these anti-gay laws are being passed. Why is this? I'm not a threat to anybody! I'm not out to destroy America or any of that nonsense, I just want the same things everybody else gets. Why is that so bad?

I'm getting depressed now, dammit.

xolly, I don't understand it either. 2 years ago, AZ was the first state in the nation to vote this crap down. I was actually pround of Arizona that night. Somehow, it made it onto the ballot a second time, and this time it's passing. As much as I am sitting here tonight realizing that this is a remarkable moment in American history, it's tempered by that goddamn ballot measure. I fail to understand why it's okay to make the constitution a vehicle for discrimination. All I can figure is that this time the churches (specifically the Mormon church) just poured the right amount of money into it.

Anyway, I am sorry...I do wish with all my heart that 102 and 8 had gone down in a blazing defeat.

12AX7 · « **Reply #3831 on:** November 05, 2008, 05:07:01 AM »

You CAN'T have religious symbols in view on public grounds - that might offend someone of a different or of no faith. But you CAN, however, -faith or not- dictate how they can and cannot live/love based on religious doctrine(s). Sounds about right.|>

ivan · « **Reply #3832 on:** November 05, 2008, 12:25:47 PM »

Quote from: xolik on November 04, 2008, 11:28:08 PM

If Prop 8 passes, I'm driving to San Fan and punching Gavin in his loud fat mouth.

Give him one for me, too. What a stupid, stupid thing to say.

But that soundbite was only part of the problem. The bit about teaching alternative wedding models in grade school found a lot of traction, as did the fear that churches could be forced by law to perform weddings they don't want. Not enough was done to dispel those fears.

One possible tactical error (seen only with 20/20 hindsight) on the part of the No campaign: they did not specifially target the african american community, where prop 8 had an astonishing 80% approval rate.

It looks pretty dismal, but it will be challenged.

xolik · « **Reply #3833 on:** November 05, 2008, 12:44:15 PM »

Quote from: ivan on November 05, 2008, 12:25:47 PM

Give him one for me, too. What a stupid, stupid thing to say.

But that soundbite was only part of the problem. The bit about teaching alternative wedding models in grade school found a lot of traction, as did the fear that churches could be forced by law to perform weddings they don't want. Not enough was done to dispel those fears.

One possible tactical error (seen only with 20/20 hindsight) on the part of the No campaign: they did not specifially target the african american community, where prop 8 had an astonishing 80% approval rate.

It looks pretty dismal, but it will be challenged.

I have several theories about why it passed:

Obama had the election in the bag so a bunch of people decided to stay in and celebrate instead of going out the polls since it was clearly over.
"Oh no, Mister Pollster, I'm voting AGAINST 8. I'm very tolerant!" *mashes the 'yes' button*
Blacks did poll a huge majority for 8 and guess what demographic had extra incentive to vote?
Arguments against 8 started to taper off in the final week
They just wanted it more

Ping Ping was very upset last night. He was shouting nasty things at the prop 8 supporters on television. I haven't seen him this worked up since he heard Cher was 'retiring'

ivan · « **Reply #3834 on:** November 05, 2008, 01:38:56 PM »

Quote from: xolik on November 05, 2008, 12:44:15 PM

"Oh no, Mister Pollster, I'm voting AGAINST 8. I'm very tolerant!" *mashes the 'yes' button*

The Bradgey effect.

ivan · « **Reply #3835 on:** November 05, 2008, 02:01:17 PM »

Quote from: xolik on November 05, 2008, 12:44:15 PM

Obama had the election in the bag so a bunch of people decided to stay in and celebrate instead of going out the polls since it was clearly over.

Maybe in some parts of the state, but not in conservative OC. Here, prop 8 won 57% to 42%, a pretty big spread. McCain also won, but with only a 3% margin, 50% to 47%! That is pretty frikken amazing, but aside from that, it means a substantial number of Obama voters also voted yes on 8. Which is not a huge contradiction -- although he disapproved of prop 8 in particular, Obama has stated that he is against gay marriage in general.

ivan · « **Reply #3836 on:** November 05, 2008, 02:05:56 PM »

Also, if it's any consolation, we OCers voted pro-chicken by 6%.

BizB · « **Reply #3837 on:** November 05, 2008, 03:15:00 PM »

This just bottles the mind....

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“ Blacks turning out in droves to support Obama also threw their support strongly behind Proposition 8, which would overturn the state Supreme Court decision allowing gay marriage. —AP, “California exit poll highlights”

There is something so indescribably wrong about voting to remove the barriers of one injustice, while simultaneously voting to shore up the barriers of another.

Stolen from talix18's tumbler page.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #3838 on:** November 05, 2008, 11:27:22 PM »

In other news I spend way too much time on G4 and mothers now equate the internet to drunk driving.

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“about two-thirds of mothers of teens in the United States are just as, or more, concerned about their teenagers’ online safety, such as from threatening emails or solicitation by online sexual predators, as they are about drunk driving (62 per cent) and experimenting with drugs (65 per cent).”

Original source. (Yay! I can search the internets properly.)

12AX7 · « **Reply #3839 on:** November 05, 2008, 11:50:04 PM »

(But can you drink and drive properly?)

12AX7 · « **Reply #3840 on:** November 05, 2008, 11:51:34 PM »

Wait.

I meant that like , "Can you 'drinkandrive' properly"; not can you drink and then drive properly afterwards.

Wunderkind · « **Reply #3841 on:** November 05, 2008, 11:53:38 PM »

I avoid it, I don't have that special knack for injuring and killing other people in car wrecks and walking away unharmed.

xolik · « **Reply #3842 on:** November 07, 2008, 04:11:08 PM »

As much as I'd liked to have been a part of the protests going on all round where I live, I never found the time to actually go.

Eh, I wouldn't know what to do anyways. I supposed I could stand out in the cold and shout slogans that would accomplish nothing in the long run but knowing me I'd be cruising every Pinoy there instead.

ivan · « **Reply #3843 on:** November 07, 2008, 06:05:19 PM »

Quote from: xolik on November 07, 2008, 04:11:08 PM

As much as I'd liked to have been a part of the protests going on all round where I live, I never found the time to actually go.

Eh, I wouldn't know what to do anyways. I supposed I could stand out in the cold and shout slogans that would accomplish nothing in the long run but knowing me I'd be cruising every Pinoy there instead.

The court challenges will probably fail. The amendment will stand. But all we need is a 51% vote to repeal it in two years. It will have to be repealed by an additional amendment, just like Prohibition. Hopefully quicker.

xolik · « **Reply #3844 on:** November 08, 2008, 08:53:52 PM »

Ok, this part of a protest I like.

12AX7 · « **Reply #3845 on:** November 10, 2008, 01:07:38 AM »

ydnamtnediserp · « **Reply #3846 on:** November 12, 2008, 10:28:49 PM »

freaky.

MoonLover · « **Reply #3847 on:** November 16, 2008, 08:05:49 AM »

What if say two women wanted to get married and one of those women looked so butch you'd haveta squint with all your might to even THINK, 'ooh, that could be a woman...'

They get hitched without a problem and about a month after a staggeringly beautiful wedding, a raunchy honeymoon and some sort of fungal problem, their pro-proposition 8 uncle who wasn't invited to the wedding rats them out as both being women.

Because same-sex marriage is outlawed, what would happen? Would they be charged and forced to divorce? Or would the document saying they got married all signed as a legal document just be voided? Can the big cheese do that?

Why on earth is same-sex marriage bad anyways? I thought those chaps with that lovely flag and that big ol' statue holding the torch made America one of them whachacallit free countries...?

Scheherazade · « **Reply #3848 on:** November 16, 2008, 12:13:50 PM »

The thing about proposition 8 is that it's going to work hilariously in favour of the homosexual community.

The Catholic and Mormon churches both put a LOT of money into adverts and campaigning for proposition 8. They wanted it passed because they were convinced that if in Florida and California they could ban gay marriage outright, then they'd be able to do it anywhere.

Wrong.

First of all, homosexuals as a whole tend to be much wealthier than heterosexuals. In California, the proposition that was passed allowed for the rewriting of the state constitution to make homosexuals second-rate citizens. Now just imagine if/when the homosexual community in California stands up and says, "Oh, we're secondary citizens now? Okay. We're not paying property taxes anymore." Just delicious.

Second, this isn't going to just stand. It's going to get pushed up to the supreme court, and just imagine if they rule that you cannot ban gay marriage/civil unions/whatever you want to call it...that means the Catholic and Mormon churches will have spent all that money to ensure that gay marriage was legal EVERYWHERE. And isn't that just a knee-slapper?

Until then, though, yes. They can void marriages, take away your benefits, etc.

Also, if you need that uncle killed, I'm certain we could work something out.

MoonLover · « **Reply #3849 on:** November 17, 2008, 04:53:10 AM »

Proposition 8 doesn't exist here. I had to Google it. I doubt my Uncle would know anything about it either... Uh... Not that I look like a man.

Although he DID forget my birthday... Strike one old man.

Our old prime minister was a lesbian and the new one is just too clean to be straight. Being gay is normal here, so normal in fact that we can tell the difference between a person pretending to be gay so people notice them and an actual gay person. Think about it.

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