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"Afro-americans"... I don't think you can say that without getting your ass kicked any more. I don't think I've heard that since the 80s.
If it comes the the point where people need to rise against their governement and tip the scale through force, that will only be acheived through civil war, and if it comes to that, you won't care about having it in writing. It won't matter. You'll do what you have to do when the time comes.
But, how is civil war possible with an unarmed population?
...The belief that every American is packing and has already killed someone is a better deterrent to invasion, today.
Fact: Gun laws only affect the law abiding.
The gun argument starts where you picked up smoking. At first you were a law abiding smoker (assuming you were of age.) Then, government put restrictions (they restricted the availablility of cheap legal cigs) in place. This cuased you to take criminal actions to support your habit.
Quote from: BizBFact: Gun laws only affect the law abiding.That is not a fact. I'll make a parallel with tabacco smuggling. When I was in highschool, the government decided to go crazzy with tabacoe tax rates. The result was that a pack of smokes went from $.50 to $8.00 in a very short period of time, and for a student with no money, well that's about enough to call in the militia! hehe.So what happened then? Smuggling from the states just took off. It was always there before, but not as widespread, as beneficial or as accessible. This increase in tax made me deal with illicit sources for tabacoe because let's face it, $4.00 for US smuggled cigarettes was better than $8.00 for the exact same product after to government interfered. So at this point, I'm not a law abiding citizen right? So based on your statement, changes in regulations on the tabacoe products wouldn't affect me.Well, after a while, the governemnt noted the suden increase in smuggling and prices were dropped again and went down to about $5.00. It was still higher than the inital $4.50, but at least it was more resonable and most people like me who dealth with smugglers started to go back to the canadian stores to get our products. Smuggling went down because there was just not enough money in it to warrant the risk. And if I wanted to keep dealing with them, they were getting a lot harder to come by.The morale: Government actions, wheter through legislation, taxation or policy, can have an influence on anyone living in the country, and even beyond it's borders.As a side note, I found it interesting that since 9/11 which resulted in massive security increase at the borders, the canadian government took advantage of the situation and taxed the hell out of the tabacoe products. I think a pack runs around $10 now.
Quote from: TheJudgeQuote from: BizBFact: Gun laws only affect the law abiding.That is not a fact. I'll make a parallel with tabacco smuggling. When I was in highschool, the government decided to go crazzy with tabacoe tax rates. The result was that a pack of smokes went from $.50 to $8.00 in a very short period of time, and for a student with no money, well that's about enough to call in the militia! hehe.So what happened then? Smuggling from the states just took off. It was always there before, but not as widespread, as beneficial or as accessible. This increase in tax made me deal with illicit sources for tabacoe because let's face it, $4.00 for US smuggled cigarettes was better than $8.00 for the exact same product after to government interfered. So at this point, I'm not a law abiding citizen right? So based on your statement, changes in regulations on the tabacoe products wouldn't affect me.Well, after a while, the governemnt noted the suden increase in smuggling and prices were dropped again and went down to about $5.00. It was still higher than the inital $4.50, but at least it was more resonable and most people like me who dealth with smugglers started to go back to the canadian stores to get our products. Smuggling went down because there was just not enough money in it to warrant the risk. And if I wanted to keep dealing with them, they were getting a lot harder to come by.The morale: Government actions, wheter through legislation, taxation or policy, can have an influence on anyone living in the country, and even beyond it's borders.As a side note, I found it interesting that since 9/11 which resulted in massive security increase at the borders, the canadian government took advantage of the situation and taxed the hell out of the tabacoe products. I think a pack runs around $10 now.Judge, I think Biz was trying to say that laws pertaining to gun purchases and ownership (e.g. background check, waiting period, etc.) only have an effect on people who are purchasing or owning guns legally. The crackhead that breaks into someone's house isn't going to wait 3 days and then go back for the gun, but me walking into a store will have to wait 3 days (and clear a background check) before I can complete the purchase.
Judge, I think Biz was trying to say that laws pertaining to gun purchases and ownership (e.g. background check, waiting period, etc.) only have an effect on people who are purchasing or owning guns legally. The crackhead that breaks into someone's house isn't going to wait 3 days and then go back for the gun, but me walking into a store will have to wait 3 days (and clear a background check) before I can complete the purchase.
Precisely. No properly disrespectful Criminal would dare use his own, legally registered firearm in the commission of a crime; that would endanger his concealed-carry permit.
Now, if they were to give away free guns to anyone who wanted them instead of restricting access, you would reduce the number of criminals because at present it is illegal for a convicted felon to own a firearm.
I love the term brandishing a weapon. It has a nice ring to it.
While on the topic of gun control, this page has interesting numbers. Draw your own conclusions of course. These are just figures.
FACT:In 2003 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,136 gun deaths in the U.S: * 16,907 suicides (56% of all U.S gun deaths), * 11,920 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths), * 730 unintentional shootings (2% of all U.S gun deaths), * 347 from legal intervention and 232 from undetermined intent (2% of all U.S gun deaths combined).-Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2006.
-In the U.S., about 440,000 people die a tobacco-related death every year. -Cigarettes and other smoking materials are the number one cause of fire deaths in the U.S. -Every year, cigarettes leave about 12,000 kids motherless. -In the U.S., about 50,000 people die each year from secondhand-smoke-related disease. -Today, in the U.S., tobacco products will kill about 1,200 people.
In 2004 there were 38,253 fatal car crashes.
In 2003, there were 3,306 unintentional fatal drownings in the United States, averaging nine people per day. This figure does not include drownings in boating-related incidents (CDC 2005).Children: In 2003, 782 children ages 0 to 14 years died from drowning (CDC 2005). Although drowning rates have slowly declined (Branche 1999), drowning remains the second-leading cause of injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005). For every child 14 years and younger who dies from drowning, five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries. More than half of these children require hospitalization (CDC 2005). Nonfatal drownings can cause brain damage that result in long-term disabilities ranging from memory problems and learning disabilities to the permanent loss of basic functioning (i.e., permanent vegetative state).
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