Topic: The 'Let's Bitch About Our Jobs' thread. (Read 214015 times)

xolik · « **Reply #625 on:** December 15, 2009, 04:41:25 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes on December 15, 2009, 04:24:19 PM

Did he work for LexisNexis up until this afternoon? Because I swear, I've been dealing with that idiot for two days now over a simple FTP issue.

Fortunately, I don't to deal with LN that much. Maybe once a year for the annual mass TWEN data upload, but that's about it.

hackess · « **Reply #626 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:48:08 PM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on December 11, 2009, 08:40:07 AM

You missed the whole HackerNetwork experience. We were mean. Really mean. And to be mean, you must have the tools at hand to distribute your mean-ness.

And by 'mean', I don't mean 'average'.
Quote from: Demosthenes on December 11, 2009, 09:16:10 AM
12 is right, Clear_Runway.

Ask me some time how to hack a hotmail account.

Oh my, do I miss those days.

12AX7 · « **Reply #627 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:41:19 AM »

I have to train myself on an entirely new (to me) Communications Server and Telephony/Media Gateway System; and the applications to administer to it.
The text below is from the course; and at the bottom is what the glossary displayed when one clicks the
link under "SIP". I suppose I also have to teach myself Russian as well.

IP Softphone or Avaya IP Softphone
for Pocket PC transforms Windows-based
PCs into intelligent SIP*-based
collaboration endpoints. Users can make and receive
voice calls as well as instant messages.

*
GLOSSARY

Session Initiation Protocol (Протокол инициализации сеансов связи). SIP - это стандартный протокол, разработанный IETF для установления диалоговых сеансов связи с пользователями, позволяющий передавать видео- и голосовые данные, организовывать беседы в реальном времени (чаты), участвовать в играх и использовать приложения виртуальной реальности.

Also. . . Avaya is Russian?

Pyrenus · « **Reply #628 on:** January 20, 2010, 02:19:40 PM »

Me: So your developer document says we must encrypt all of our transactions before sending them to your machines.
Rep: That's correct.
Me: Ok, so what should I encrypt it with?
Rep: We use a customized encryption developed specifically for our application.
Me: Ok, just send me the code then.
Rep: Oh we don't provide any sort of programming assistance.
Me: ....
Rep: .
Me: Ok, so how will I encrypt these not knowing anything about how they are supposed to be encrypted?
Rep: Here's a link to a COBOL program written in 1984. We based our encryption algorithm off of this program. Good luck!
Me: ...

Demosthenes · « **Reply #629 on:** January 20, 2010, 03:32:51 PM »

Bwahahah... tell me that's not a vendor that has your employer's business!

BTW, welcome back Pyrenus.

ivan · « **Reply #630 on:** January 21, 2010, 01:50:59 PM »

Quote from: Pyrenus on January 20, 2010, 02:19:40 PM

Me: So your developer document says we must encrypt all of our transactions before sending them to your machines.
Rep: That's correct.
Me: Ok, so what should I encrypt it with?
Rep: We use a customized encryption developed specifically for our application.
Me: Ok, just send me the code then.
Rep: Oh we don't provide any sort of programming assistance.
Me: ....
Rep: .
Me: Ok, so how will I encrypt these not knowing anything about how they are supposed to be encrypted?
Rep: Here's a link to a COBOL program written in 1984. We based our encryption algorithm off of this program. Good luck!
Me: ...

COBOL... Is there anything it can't do?

ivan · « **Reply #631 on:** January 21, 2010, 01:52:18 PM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on December 21, 2009, 05:41:19 AM

*
GLOSSARY

Session Initiation Protocol (Протокол инициализации сеансов связи). SIP - это стандартный протокол, разработанный IETF для установления диалоговых сеансов связи с пользователями, позволяющий передавать видео- и голосовые данные, организовывать беседы в реальном времени (чаты), участвовать в играх и использовать приложения виртуальной реальности.

Also. . . Avaya is Russian?

Heh. How did I miss this post?

Wanna translation?

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #632 on:** January 21, 2010, 05:11:19 PM »

yes plz

ivan · « **Reply #633 on:** January 21, 2010, 05:51:56 PM »

Quote from: 12AX7 on December 21, 2009, 05:41:19 AM

Session Initiation Protocol (Протокол инициализации сеансов связи). SIP - это стандартный протокол, разработанный IETF для установления диалоговых сеансов связи с пользователями, позволяющий передавать видео- и голосовые данные, организовывать беседы в реальном времени (чаты), участвовать в играх и использовать приложения виртуальной реальности.

Session Initiation Protocol (Protocol for initiating communication sessions). SIP is a standard protocol, developed by IETF for establishing communication session dialogs with users, which allows users to transfer video and voice data, organize conversations in real time (chats), participate in games and use virtual reality applications.

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #634 on:** January 21, 2010, 07:22:02 PM »

you think that they could at least use the roman alphabet. not that i would know anything about it or anything. even the japanese use it when speed is a concern (since the language has about a million characters they have to type in the romanized versions of japanese words. a computer can then translate that into the proper characters, but obviously its a bit of a pain to do)

some languages are just weird. Russian is one, for sure.

ivan · « **Reply #635 on:** January 21, 2010, 08:44:25 PM »

The Cyrillic alphabet is actually a slightly expanded old Greek alphabet.

The modern Cyrillic alphabet has 36 characters, only 10 more than the English alphabet.

If the Russians had won the Cold War, we'd need bigger keyboards.

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #636 on:** January 21, 2010, 10:39:02 PM »

if the russians had won the cold war, I would be more concerned about inventing fire.

ivan · « **Reply #637 on:** January 22, 2010, 11:38:41 AM »

Fire might be a problem, but fire-water? We have it covered, comrade.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #638 on:** January 22, 2010, 12:27:47 PM »

The Cyrillic alphabet isn't that bad. I learned to read it without much trouble at all while I was studying Latin and Greek when I was still a teenager.

I never learned the underlying Russian, but the alphabet is pretty cool.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #639 on:** January 22, 2010, 02:18:51 PM »

This is about all I remember from my Greek class in college:

Το πλοίο είναι στο Βυζάντιο

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #640 on:** January 22, 2010, 03:41:24 PM »

the pronunciation is weird. if you spell, say, "Murmansk", in the Cyrillic alphabet, the characters, when read by someone like, me, who has never used anything but English in his life, look nothing like "Murmansk". it looks like Му́рманская, which anyone but a Russian would pronounce "mip-mah-c'car"

ivan · « **Reply #641 on:** January 22, 2010, 04:53:47 PM »

Quote from: Clear_Runway on January 22, 2010, 03:41:24 PM

the pronunciation is weird. if you spell, say, "Murmansk", in the Cyrillic alphabet, the characters, when read by someone like, me, who has never used anything but English in his life, look nothing like "Murmansk". it looks like Му́рманская, which anyone but a Russian would pronounce "mip-mah-c'car"

Actually, written Russian is phonetic. Almost always, letters sound the same in any combination. So once you learn what the letters sound like, you can correctly sound out the words, even if you don't understand them.

М = m as in "man".
у = oo as in "cool"
́р = r, but rolled or trilled, with the tip of the tounge just behind your upper front teeth.
м = m as in "man"
а = a as in "ah"
н = n as in "nancy"
с = s as in "sky"
к = k as in "kite"
а = a as in "ah"
я = ya as in... well, "ya"

Now you can sound it out: Moormanskaya

This is actually not the word for Murmansk -- which is Му́рманск -- but the feminine adjective formed from the word for Murmansk. It would be used in front of a feminine noun, such as Region.

So, Murmansk would be Мурманск, but Murmansk Region would be Мурманская Область.

Хоп зэт хелпс!*

------------------
* more letters:

Х = kh, sort of between a K and an H, the closest they have to an H sound
о = o as in "whore"
п = p as in "please"

з = z as in "zoo", the closest they have to the TH sound
э = e as in "zen"
т = t as in "tom"

х = kh
э = e as in "zen"
л = l as in "lady"
п = p as in "please"
с = s as in "sky"

ivan · « **Reply #642 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:01:28 PM »

One more remark: The iconic backwards R --Я -- is actually a dipthong vowel, pronounced YA.

It is also a word. It means "I", and in some cases "me", and also "I am".

So if I were to identify myself, I would write:

Я Иван.

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #643 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:09:52 PM »

that was extremely informative. And yes, i got that spelling of Murmansk from a Google search, in which it was used in exactly that context.

ivan · « **Reply #644 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:26:41 PM »

Quote from: Clear_Runway on January 22, 2010, 03:41:24 PM

Му́рманская

I should have noted that the accent over the "y" is not an accent, but a stress mark. You probably copied this text from a dictionary definition, because Russians would naturally stress the first syllable in this word. However, you will see stress signs used when words are obscure or ambiguous. There are words that change meaning depending on where you put the stress. Like the word дома (pronounced "doh-mah") can mean either "at home" or "homes", depending on the stress. So if you say Ya DOHmah (first syllable stressed), it means "I am at home", but if you say "Etee dohMAH", it means "these homes". You would not see a stress symbol in those phrases, because the context is clear. However, if for some strange reason you wanted say "I am homes", which is not implied by context, you would have to write it with the stress symbol.

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #645 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:30:32 PM »

While we're on the subject, what is it with grammatical gender? Seems like a totally useless convention to me. (I realize this is sort of hypocritical coming from an English-speaker) Plus it's confusing - say you have a language where the word "animal" is male, but the word for the particular species being described is female, and to further mix things up the animal is biologically male. plus, in a lot of languages, you have female as the default as opposed to male, and this applies to animals as well as humans, which is also confusing since in English "it" is usually the default for animals, though this is hardly consistent. and some of these languages don't even have an "it", just randomly assigned gender. (Wikipedia has a map of the world colored by french grammatical gender, and it looks completely arbitrary to me)

just something that annoys me. wow, when it comes to languages I come out looking like a total xenophobe.

ivan · « **Reply #646 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:36:42 PM »

Quote from: Demosthenes on January 22, 2010, 12:27:47 PM

The Cyrillic alphabet isn't that bad. I learned to read it without much trouble at all while I was studying Latin and Greek when I was still a teenager.

I never learned the underlying Russian, but the alphabet is pretty cool.

The modern Russian alphabet is a reformed and simplified version of the old Church Cyrillic alphabet, which had more bizzarre letters and rules. The commies simplified it so that the illiterate masses could learn it quicker, and be raised from poverty. Of course, many people lamented the loss of the old language heritage, but most of them were shot.

ivan · « **Reply #647 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Clear_Runway on January 22, 2010, 05:30:32 PM

While we're on the subject, what is it with grammatical gender? Seems like a totally useless convention to me. (I realize this is sort of hypocritical coming from an English-speaker) Plus it's confusing - say you have a language where the word "animal" is male, but the word for the particular species being described is female, and to further mix things up the animal is biologically male. plus, in a lot of languages, you have female as the default as opposed to male, and this applies to animals as well as humans, which is also confusing since in English "it" is usually the default for animals, though this is hardly consistent. and some of these languages don't even have an "it", just randomly assigned gender. (Wikipedia has a map of the world colored by french grammatical gender, and it looks completely arbitrary to me)

just something that annoys me. wow, when it comes to languages I come out looking like a total xenophobe.

Dude, you are certainly not alone.

A little long and wordy (by modern standards), but most certainly worth the time to read: http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/awfgrmlg.html

Clear_Runway · « **Reply #648 on:** January 22, 2010, 05:48:55 PM »

ten parts of speech? wow. no wonder those Germans are son angry, having to speak that language.

12AX7 · « **Reply #649 on:** January 22, 2010, 09:23:31 PM »

Doch! Deutsche ist gar nicht so schwer.

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