Topic: the war (Read 49375 times)

ivan · « **Reply #75 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:28:25 PM »

So... What's up?

pbsaurus · « **Reply #76 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:29:43 PM »

You mean, besides inflation and the national debt?

Demosthenes · « **Reply #77 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:33:05 PM »

Yeah, it's just temporary.

I wanted to show Evonus what it's like to have to eat one's own dog food.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #78 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:34:55 PM »

* pbsaurus applauds Demo

Demosthenes · « **Reply #79 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:35:57 PM »

As a discussion tactic it's admittedly crude and not very civil, but I think it gets the point across crystal clear.

If he decides to come back tomorrow and rejoin this discussion, I'm sure he'll be all whiny and want to discuss how I used my mod-status in an unfair way to my advantage in the argument and other crap like that.

But that's exactly my point, after all.

EDIT: to fix typos

ivan · « **Reply #80 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:58:21 PM »

The music was much better during Vietnam.

TheJudge · « **Reply #81 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:52:32 PM »

3V0NUZ T0RTUR3D!! OMFGLOL11!!!

BizB · « **Reply #82 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:06:51 PM »

I'd love to go back and assemble all of this thoughts into one long coherent post which everyone could take in as easy as a White Castle hamburger. Unfortunately, I fear that the post would be about as digestible as a White Castle hamburger.

pbsaurus · « **Reply #83 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:08:21 PM »

I've never had a White Castle Hamburger.

BizB · « **Reply #84 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:09:25 PM »

Lucky you.

TheJudge · « **Reply #85 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:10:23 PM »

You could always quote all the contradictions from his replies to the next. Now, that's not an opinion, THAT'S FACTUAL! Well... Not exactly. The opinion is that you could do it, the fact is that there are contradictory statements.

xolik · « **Reply #86 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:29:14 PM »

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice his glaring inconsistancies.

hackess · « **Reply #87 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:40:28 PM »

I'm sorry, I stopped reading this thread four pages ago. Someone summarize for me.

IFOUNDWALDO176 · « **Reply #88 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:55:39 PM »

Evonus says totalitarianism is good, Demo wields power to prove that too much power to one person isn't a good thing Banned Evo, we applaud this Demon stration that's about it.

BizB · « **Reply #89 on:** July 18, 2006, 07:56:56 PM »

Quote from: catwritr on July 18, 2006, 07:40:28 PM

I'm sorry, I stopped reading this thread four pages ago. Someone summarize for me.

Summary:
Evonus: Hurrrrrrrrrr
Demo: Good point after good point after well thought out argument
Evonus: Hurrrrrrrrrr but not Hurrrrrrrrrrr at the same time
Demo: You're right. I ban you to make your own point.
Evonus: Silence.
Everyone: :applaud

hackess · « **Reply #90 on:** July 18, 2006, 08:00:28 PM »

Gold stars for you both.

Gold spatula for Demo. Brilliant, sir!

Demosthenes · « **Reply #91 on:** July 18, 2006, 08:31:48 PM »

Just wait until tomorrow when he comes back to post his sure-to-be-witty reply.

Dark Shade · « **Reply #92 on:** July 18, 2006, 11:07:27 PM »

Took me awhile to read through all of that, so I'll summarize my response:

Evonus is entitled to his opinion, but I'm with Demo on this one.

Tomorrow's certainly shaping up to be a good day.

jeee · « **Reply #93 on:** July 19, 2006, 05:26:28 AM »

Discussions about the war are always good reading food. It was entertaining once again.

reimero · « **Reply #94 on:** July 19, 2006, 07:54:41 AM »

*sniff* I love this place. It's almost as good (but not quite) as the Soupbandit trial.

Demosthenes · « **Reply #95 on:** July 19, 2006, 09:15:47 AM »

Quote from: Dark Shade on July 18, 2006, 11:07:27 PM

Evonus is entitled to his opinion

Not when he's applying "opinion" to things that are fact.

In that case his opinion is wrong,

IFOUNDWALDO176 · « **Reply #96 on:** July 19, 2006, 09:30:49 AM »

Man you are incredibly stupidand as such I smite thee

*Smites Evonus once per stupid post.

Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours.

Damn

Demosthenes · « **Reply #97 on:** July 19, 2006, 09:37:19 AM »

Quote from: IFOUNDWALDO176 on July 19, 2006, 09:30:49 AM

Man you are incredibly stupidand as such I smite thee

*Smites Evonus once per stupid post.

Sorry, you can't repeat a karma action without waiting 1 hours.

Damn

Hey. I didn't see you responding point-by-point to his posts in this thread.

Save your smugness for when you actually face-off with someone, pee wee.

IFOUNDWALDO176 · « **Reply #98 on:** July 19, 2006, 11:21:51 AM »

Quote from: Demosthenes on July 19, 2006, 09:37:19 AM

Hey. I didn't see you responding point-by-point to his posts in this thread.

Save your smugness for when you actually face-off with someone, pee wee.

Every time I tried to post a reply you beat me to it, and all of your points were better said than mine were, so I didn't post them, and Vespertine also got in a few good points, so really, I didn't need to post anything that was redundant and/or stupid that would have made me look like a mimic who follows good songs with his own crappy rendition of them, hence my lack of posts.

Evonus · « **Reply #99 on:** July 19, 2006, 11:52:16 AM »

Okay, I'm back. It doesn't seem like most people really care what I have to say, so I'm considering whether I should even bother saying it. Basically I'll just summarize my points because people don't seem to get my point on things.

I don't believe in the war in Iraq, because it was executed badly. It was a stupid time. It was following another war. He gave tax breaks during a war which is running up the national debt. All and all bush is just a terrible economic manager. His economic minister couldn't even pronounce Keynesian economics. That's why I am against Iraq. I do however, think it was a necessary invasion in order to help out of bussiness partners in the middle east. It also coincides with the spread of democracy which is always a good thing.

I believe in preserving the life of the community. I am a moral absolutist. I think that if people have suspicious activities and information needs to be extracted from them to prevent future murders (either terrorist attacks in Iraq of Afghanistan or hits by the mafia in Boston or NYC) I believe it should be done, regardless of the methods employed on that person to get that information. As long as no ones life is in danger I think due process should be folllowed, but if there are lives in danger I don't think it's fair to let the targeted victims be killed while we give criminals a trial. Once criminals are convicted I really don't think they're entitled to anything, including their rights. I mean, I don't think someone should lose their hands for stealing candy bars, but I don't think murders/rapists/terrorists/seditionists should get the humane treatment that they currently recieve. And thusly I not only support, but am proud of what the U.S. is doing to captured terrorists in the Middle East.

Also, I AM NOT AUTHORTARIAN. I believe very much in democracy. Authortarianism should only be used in the most extreme circumstances, like a very threatening war, like the civil war. I never said I wanted a dictatorship. Demo said I sounded like a dictator. Do I think the government should have greater control over certain areas, yes I do. I also think they should less control over other areas. I'd go into it, but this isn't the place for it. Now, let me clarify, I believe authortarianism is necessary in extreme circumstances, for short periods of time. I do not support permenant authortarianism. Anyway, that's my opinion on that.

Lastly, I have never given an opinion on a fact. I have given my opinion on how I think criminals should be treated. That's not something where there are facts. Treatment of criminals has always and will always be subjective. There are laws on it, laws written by people with opinions. Laws are not fact, laws are opinions. Let me give you an example. If my opinion was that white people were supperior to black people, I would be wrong. Science has disproved that. Humans are humans. However, if I thought black people should be slaves, that would simply be an opinion. Not one I agree with, but it would still be an opinion. It's the same thing with my opinions. My opinion isn't that there were WMDs in Iraq, because that is a fact that they in fact were not there. My opinion is that we would've had to go in there eventually anyway, for completely different reasons.

And just as a finishing note. If you like my opinion, give me a yay. If you dislike it, argue with me, or simply tell me you don't. But let's try to keep it civil. Banning me because of your assumption did nothing more than to kill this discussion and make it a spam thread. Waldo, you're just an absolute pussy. You haven't contributed so much as an agreement post, and yet you feel you have the right to insult my opinion. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass before you go insulting other people, okay. And Waldo, just in case you aren't smart enough to grasp what I just said, I'm insulting you.

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