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Main Forums => Anarchy => Topic started by: L on June 18, 2008, 06:32:13 PM
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I am 17 and I smoke occasionally. I'm aware of the dangers and effects smoking can cause. I have a couple of questions about it however..
1) I was wondering if there are actual pros to smoking rather than millions and millions of cons.
2) Does rolling your own cigs even if unfiltered healthier?
3) I would estimate that around 250,000 (35 years at a pack a day) is where lung disease starts to become likely. So would 1-4 a day be alright?
4) Is it true only 3 or 4 cigarettes will kill you if you eat them at the same time?
5) I believe in mind over matter and so i think I could stop smoking whenever i would like. I know that everyone who does smoke says something along those lines. How hard is it though?
6)Why is smoking so socially appealing to so many people?
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Ineresting topic.
1) As for pros of smoking, sure. There are some. http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/therap.htm
2) Does it healthier? I can't stolen.
C) On what do you base the 250K number?
IV: www.snopes.com
V] If you believe in mind over matter, why not just believe that you can't get cancer from smoking and then keep on lighting up?
6) The chicks dig it.
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Mold?
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Inst smoking pot the equivalent to 3 cigarettes?
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Inst smoking pot the equivalent to 3 cigarettes?
Uh... where did you hear this?
It's apples to oranges. Two different plants, two different drugs, two different effects. You can't compare them to each other. Except... the fact that both will tar up your lungs, because both involve inhaling smoke. Inhaling smoke, any smoke from anything, will screw with your body. Inhaling smoke from incense to burning charcoals, it doesn't matter, it's fucking smoke. Smoke is smoke.
5) I believe in mind over matter and so i think I could stop smoking whenever i would like. I know that everyone who does smoke says something along those lines. How hard is it though?
I don't smoke so I've never tried to quit, but I have had to quit an addiction before. I would equate it to Chinese Water Torture.
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oh my god, i want a cigarette. so. fucking. badly.
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Oh hell no. We are not starting a "Why pot should be legal / why pot is good for you" thread here.
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Oh hell no. We are not starting a "Why pot should be legal / why pot is good for you" thread here.
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I wasn't. I was under the impression we were discussing tobacco not cannabis.
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Dude smoking is hard as hell to stop. I was like you smoking a few a day when i was 17 then it turned into a pack a day after a year. After that I attempted on seven different occasions to quit. This attempt has lasted the longest so far at 1.5 months. I feel like I lost a part of my soul, but know that it is better for me in the long run. Now I really want a cig, damnit.
Don't know about the 250k thing you stated. Smoking is bad for you even a little. You can find stats on it that your lungs begin to heal 8 hours after a cigarette. Takes two months for your lungs to gain back their full capacity for holding air. Supposedly quitting before you are 25 is supposed to allow your lungs to heal enough to that of a non smoker for later in life. Oh and also I hear smoking and drinking at the same time is the worst to you. Supposedly you are absorbing more of the cancer causing substances while drinking. Sucks cause that's when a cig is the best.
On a side note, I got a lung infection after smoking. Doctor correlated it to my stopping smoking and my immune system dropping from the withdrawls. I asked him point blank if I had kept smoking if I wouldn't have this lung infection now and I would be healthier. He smiled said, "I wouldn't put smoking into that light." Sounded like he was basically saying yes from his tone and body language. Kinda humorous to me although I'm still happy I quit.
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thanks a ton.
I don't smoke so I've never tried to quit, but I have had to quit an addiction before. I would equate it to Chinese Water Torture.
What were you addicted to? If, of course, you don't mind me asking...
Uh... where did you hear this?
It's apples to oranges. Two different plants, two different drugs, two different effects.
I remember when i was younger watching an ad on tv of this guy cutting open 3 cigs and rolling them up and smoking it. Then the narrator said the pot was the equivalent.
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I remember when i was younger watching an ad on tv of this guy cutting open 3 cigs and rolling them up and smoking it. Then the narrator said the pot was the equivalent.
Yes. Because everything you see on TV is reliable. Especially ads backed by companies who stand to profit from your gullibility. Smoke is smoke.
I'm a recovering perscription drug addict.
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Heh. Smoke IS smoke. Regardless of what/how many/how often/ how much; if you smoke, be prepared for being regarded as a NASTY, STINKING person, even if no one actually tells you. Your clothes stink, your hair stinks, your car stinks, your breath stinks, your kisses aren't desirable, your fingers even stink, for crying out loud. And that's just the start.
You won't realize it until it's waay too late, but the strength in your breath/lungs will be cut drastically; resulting in you being the wheezing, coughing, gagging, stinky puke that everyone is embarrassed to be jogging with since you have to stop every so often. (AND you stink)
Plus, you can look forward to massive attacks of heartburn (yes; smoking exacerbates heartburn and ulcers - which you may get if you don't alreay have them starting.)
If all that isn't enough; take a picture of your teeth. Wait three days. Take another picture and compare the two. Yuck. Nasty. Have any idea how often you have to brush to keep them at least sorta kinda not totally brown? More than twice a day; with "whitening" toothpaste. Or Topol - smoker's toothpaste (wait till your date sees THAT in your medicine cabinet. Yeh; you'll look really cool then.)
How do I know all this? I smoke. Over a pack a day/cigarettes; and a lot of other stuffs too. So believe me, please. Stop now.
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This all sounds like sage advice. Kick the nic'.
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I wont date girls that smoke. And I find it hard to date girls that toke up. Like 12 said, it makes you stink. And since I don't do either, I can smell it a mile away.
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And since I don't do either, I can smell it a mile away.
That's the thing; people who DO smoke forget that their sense of smell is dulled in addition to being used to the funk anyway. So they don't realize (or really believe) how bad they actually stink- especially to someone who doesn't have a deteriorated olfactory system.
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If you must ask these questions, you are not at peace with smoking. If you are not at peace with smoking, it will cause many problems for you. I continued smoking long past the point where I ceased to be at peace with it, and it caused many problems.
The most difficult part of addiction is the sense of identity the addict derives from his habit. I thought of myself as a smoker long after I quit. It is what made quitting difficult. It is also what led me to become a smoker again years later. Quitting the second time was significantly harder, because I realized I had to become a non-smoker inside my head. I had to see myself as a different person, and become that person, or I would never leave it behind me.
Anyone who has kicked an addiction is diminished. You have to kill and bury a chunk of yourself so the rest of you can continue on. That's why not starting is the ideal option.
Your youth and inexperience are conspiring to fool you into thinking that you can discover a new, safe and consequence-free way of using tobacco that has somehow eluded billions of smokers before you. Good luck with that.
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Anyone who has kicked an addiction is diminished. You have to kill and bury a chunk of yourself so the rest of you can continue on. That's why not starting is the ideal option.
Your youth and inexperience are conspiring to fool you into thinking that you can discover a new, safe and consequence-free way of using tobacco that has somehow eluded billions of smokers before you. Good luck with that.
I just felt this needed to be repeated.
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I don't smoke; aside from the occasional Hookah - So I can’t personally say anything about it
However I was listening to NPR the other day, and I heard an author, David Sedaris talking about his new book, "When You Are Engulfed in Flames" which is a collection of personal essays. He read an excerpt from one of his essays in the book that concerned his smoking habit, which I was reminded of when I read your post.
He described how he LOVED to smoke and that he never really believed that anything bad could happen to him because it. He said that he finally quit because the Ritz Carlton got rid of their smoker friendly rooms.
I don’t really think that it is something that is really for/against smoking, but rather a description of his experience with it.
You should check it out, you might identify with what he has to say. Sedaris is also hilarious!
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That's the thing; people who DO smoke forget that their sense of smell is dulled in addition to being used to the funk anyway. So they don't realize (or really believe) how bad they actually stink- especially to someone who doesn't have a deteriorated olfactory system.
It's funny when I was a smoker I wanted a cigarette every time I walked past a smoke break area. Now if I have to walk through that area I hold my breath because the smell makes me want to vomit.
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When I lived in New Jersey there didn't seem to be a plethora of people that smoked. That doesn't mean there weren't any smokers; there were. However, here in Pennsylvania where the price of a pack isn't something like 6 dollars it seems like almost everyone is a smoker.
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I don't smoke; aside from the occasional Hookah
I'm hooked on hookah.
My girlfriend smokes and it creates a funny situation due to the fact that I can smell / taste it when I am with her. It's like when you have a lady / guy friend who only wears one scent and whenever you smell that scent you are reminded of him or her. I've found I start thinking about her when I catch a whiff of the stuff.
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It's funny when I was a smoker I wanted a cigarette every time I walked past a smoke break area. Now if I have to walk through that area I hold my breath because the smell makes me want to vomit.
Kind of related story here: Back when I was a bench tech working at The Pit, you could always tell what computers belonged to a family of heavy smokers. The cases were more yellow than the usual fading and if you ever opened one up, the stench of nicotene would probably knock you out cold. I hated working on those things. One time I decided to give one of these machines an entire scrub down. Took it apart, blasted all the internal bits with a healthy dose of compressed air and scrubbed the living hell out of the chassis. The yellow slowly went away and a glorious Compaq Beige color was restored. Even the CD-ROM and floppy were cleaned up of just layers of built up residule. It was gross.
The owners didn't even notice. :|
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Kind of related story here: Back when I was a bench tech working at The Pit, you could always tell what computers belonged to a family of heavy smokers. The cases were more yellow than the usual fading and if you ever opened one up, the stench of nicotene would probably knock you out cold. I hated working on those things. One time I decided to give one of these machines an entire scrub down. Took it apart, blasted all the internal bits with a healthy dose of compressed air and scrubbed the living hell out of the chassis. The yellow slowly went away and a glorious Compaq Beige color was restored. Even the CD-ROM and floppy were cleaned up of just layers of built up residule. It was gross.
The owners didn't even notice. :|
That is pretty gross. The sad part is in a house of smokers the electronics suffer the most. Nothing good can come from smoking inside with your electronics.
edit: That goes double for children.
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Nothing good can come from smoking inside with your electronics.
I beg to disagree. A lot of today's most popular music was created and captured in
a smoky, electronics filled room. To the detriment of the equipment, yes; but I'm just saying..
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I beg to disagree. A lot of today's most popular music was created and captured in
a smoky, electronics filled room. To the detriment of the equipment, yes; but I'm just saying..
Concur.
All of my electronics are in one room, where I spend all of my time home. Yes, I smoke, and have for about 8 years, and my nosehair clipper-crap is fine.
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Concur.
All of my electronics are in one room, where I spend all of my time home. Yes, I smoke, and have for about 8 years, and my nosehair clipper-crap is fine.
Have you opened any of them up and taken a look inside?
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Have you opened any of them up and taken a look inside?
He's too busy smoking, didn't you know?
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I think this topic has given me the boost I needed to quit smoking again. I will need to smoke on thursday because it's my birthday and I will be drowning my birthday sorrows. But after that, I'm going to give it another shot I think. :wink:
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That's a bad idea to go out of your way to have just "one more" before you try to quit again.
Why not drink on your birthday, rather than smoke? Pick up a new habit for a change.
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Now there's a habit we can agree on. :wink:
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That's a bad idea to go out of your way to have just "one more" before you try to quit again.
Why not drink on your birthday, rather than smoke? Pick up a new habit for a change.
I think he was saying he will be drinking, and from what I have seen, a drinker/smoke has a VERY hard time separating the two. Even if they have "stopped" smoking, they still light up while drinking.
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That would be the perfect way to kick off your new non-smoking resolution, though; if you can maintain control through that, you're fine. You can continue to smoke secure in the knowledge that you can always quit again if you want to; since you just proved that you can.
oyeh.. |>
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I think he she was saying he will be drinking, and from what I have seen, a drinker/smoke has a VERY hard time separating the two. Even if they have "stopped" smoking, they still light up while drinking.
You all have valid points. I do see smoking as a complimentary activity to drinking. However, my lungs hurt, and I am going to try to give up. Today is perfect because it is pouring down. I will let you know how it goes :thumbsup:
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ok
:lightsup:
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I'd be lying if I said I didn't smoke my arse off today.
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Having been a smoker for 15 years ro so, having finally succeeded in droping the habbit after oh... 10 or so failed attempts (nobody likes a quiter anyway), here are my thoughts on the subject:
First, there is sort of a soul searching process that takes place. Ask yourself why you first started smoking. Me, beleive it or not, I actually liked the smell. And also, teenager peer pressure, and also "looking cool". So at first, I couldn't even inhale the damn smoke as I would start coughing (That was nature telling me :Hello moron! You shouldn't be doing this!!)
But more importantly, identify WHY you want to quit. My 10 failed attempts didn't work out because I was trying to quit to please others. You can only quit because YOU want to, not because your spouse wants you to. So in order to determine why you want to quite, start by writing down how smoking changed your life in a negative way. Don't focus on what may happen to you if you continue smoking, focus on what has already happened (for now). For example: I used to play a lot of sports and I was very competitive and talented in some of them. Eventually, I just couldn't keep up and ended up droping sports that I loved for the cigs that I now loved more. Also, smoking means you stink. You may not beleive so because you probably can't smell yourself the way others can, but trust me you fuckin stink. Do you think the ladies like to kiss that mouth? You may htink so, but in fact they don't. You know, cause you stink. Other examples: being out of breath when walking up stairs, lying about not smoking when pressured to quit and failing, feeling guilt, etc.
Now, think about future risks if you continue smoking. These are basically health risks that everyone claims to know what they are, but really they are clueless. There is a risk of cancer, which everyone knows about. "Yeah, yeah, I know I can get cancer. I accept the risk" - Typical teenager response. Do you even have a clue what it means to have cancer? What radiation and chemo therapy means? You accept the risk of this infernal suffering, with no guarantess of survival for the pleasure of a god damn puff? Completely irrational. Oh, irrational is somethign to add in the first list by the way. Becuase you're addidcted, you transform your perceptions and attitudes to "rationalize" your smoking habbit.
Understand that quiting smoking is similar to the experience of loosing a loved one. That cigarette has been your best friend for years. When you feeling stressed, what's the first thing you do? Go out for a smoke. When you're angry, you light one up. When you're bored, you smoke. When you're drunk and having fun, you smoke. When you're down, you gain temporary comfort from a smoke. Well guess what, you've created these pattern over the years and it's going to be very hard to break.
In order to quit successfully: Going cold turkey is not for everyone, and it's not the easiest method. Consider a systemic approach instead. Here's what I suggest:
For the next 2 weeks, don't try to quit. Smoke normally, but keep a log with you. Everytime you light up, write down the date and time, and the reason why you felt you needed a smoke, and rate the intensity of the craving, from 1 to 5. Create your "smoking" calendar.
In two weeks, you'll have a full log detailing your smoking habbits. You'll notice that some urges are triggered by specific things (like being bored, stressed, etc), other urges are simply the result of habbit, where you've condition your mind to "need" a smoke at specific times.
In the following week, don't cut down, but change the pattern completely. Never smoke at times when you used to always smoke, and never smoke as a result of these "triggers" you've identified. In fact, avoid such triggers. For instance, if drinking makes you smoke, don't drink. Keep in mind that this is all temporary. You'll find that simply changing up the schedule is a challenge on its own. Now here comes the hard part:
Keep smoking with your whacky schedule, but delay by 1 hour the first time you can have a smoke each day. For instance, if you normally get up at 7 and have a smoke, on day one, you'll get up at 7 but won't smoke before 8. On day two, get up at 7, but don't smoke until 9., keep going until you run out of hours and become a non smoker.
What to do when you're having a craving: There's only two things you can do: Give in, or be a stuborn bastard. Option 2 is the only way you'll ever quit. Force yourself to be rational. Ask youself "What will happen if I don't smoke? Will I die" and of course, the answer is no. Go for a walk, get some fresh air. The craving will pass, I assure you. It's temporary torture, and after a month, it gets a lot easier. The firs 3 weeks are the hardest.
And just so you know, I did this entire process, with a pack of smoke in my pocket. Maybe you don't want to do that... But I did fail once. I got to cocky. I was so sure I had it beat, after having stopped for 3 months, that I decided that a final challenge was required. I wanted to prove to myself that I had conditioned my mind so I light one up. Boy it was goooood! And guess what, all I've managed to confirm was that I was an idiot because I started smoking and had to redo this process again (successfully!). The lesson is simple: If you give up and light up, you're goign back to square one. Think about that when you want to smoke again. Think that by having that smoke, you'll be forced to put yourself trought this ordeal all over again, and you'll throw away all the progress you've made so far. Accept that for the rest of your life, you simply can't handle having a smoke or a cigar. If you can't do this, then you won't quit. It's that simple. Best of luck!
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Have you opened any of them up and taken a look inside?
Actually, I have. My comp gets opened up twice a month for dusting, upgrading, etc. When I still had a PS2, I tore it apart to clean it, and I didn't notice anything other than the usual dust. I've upgraded the HD in my PS3, and wanted to upgrade the memory as well, but didn't do so. Of course, I haven't had the PS3 long enough, I don't think.
On quitting, I've tried twice now, but it seems as long as I have tobacco in the house, my will power isn't strong enough.
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I'll agree with Judgie. I quit for five years one time. On one non-stressful day, sitting on the carport with my wife and father in law, I decided to light one up. That's probably the biggest mistake I've ever made. It didn't take a month to be back up to two packs a day. That was about 26 years ago. Since then I have tried many times: by hypnosis twice, patches a few times, chewing instead of smoking, cutting back one cigarette a day a couple of times, and cold turkey a few times. Cutting back one cig a day got me to where I am now, which is a little over a pack a day. But none have worked for any length of time.
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Actually, I have. My comp gets opened up twice a month for dusting, upgrading, etc. When I still had a PS2, I tore it apart to clean it, and I didn't notice anything other than the usual dust. I've upgraded the HD in my PS3, and wanted to upgrade the memory as well, but didn't do so. Of course, I haven't had the PS3 long enough, I don't think.
Lucky you. Of course you also seem to be looking after the equipment much more than your average smoking household.
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Lucky you. Of course you also seem to be looking after the equipment much more than your average smoking household.
Yeah, I paid alot of money for what I have, and I want them to last as long as possible. I think it might be time soon to get my PC "de-nicotined." Money's tight nowadays, so it's not too big of a priority.
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I've been a non-smoker for 5 and 1/2 years now. I used Wellbutrin - because the insurance company will pay for it if you call it Wellbutrin, but they won't if you call it Zyban, despite the fact that they're one-in-the-same.
The stuff is will-power in a pill - though, I call it "won't power" because it enables you to say, "I won't smoke." and mean it.
Before I quit, I was a pack and a half per day smoker. I was one of those people who, when you saw me smoke, you might say, "Wow. That guy really enjoys his cigarettes."
Quitting was the single hardest thing that I've ever done in my life. Even today, so many years later, I envy smokers at times. Other times, not so much.
I still have to wonder, though... Is smoking really so risky?
http://stats.org/stories/lung_cancer_rates_mar08_06.htm
1/10 (for smokers) chance versus 1/3,000,000 (for non smokers).
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Has it been that long Biz? Time sure flies. Oh and I guess I forgot about trying the Wellbutrin thing. Didn't work for me.
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Thanks Judge, I really appreciate that invaluable advice.
Fortunately I am not as addicted as some. I smoke about a pack a week. It is still too much though. I do not want to be a 'smoker'. I cannot sing as well when I am a smoker. My skin is better when I am not smoking. And I do not want to be an old lady who smokes. I do not even want to be a 23-year old who smokes. My reasons to quit have changed as the years have gone by and after 8 years on and off, I finally want to quit for myself. I know my triggers are simple passing feelings and that they are no reason to put a cigarette in my mouth if they will be gone again in a moment or a day.
And so, to have success with this, there must be no limit to how much or how many times I try again. So, from now, I quit. :)
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If you have cravings (passing feelings) that last a day, you're in trouble. I'd guess that my average craving lasted no more than 6 or 7 minutes. One of the mental approaches that I took was to tell myself, "You can get through this. You can do lots of things for 6 or 7 minutes. Granted sexorz isn't one of them, but not-smoking is."
Self deprecating humor, even in situations where you're trying to improve yourself, is always the key ingredient.
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You can do lots of things for 6 or 7 minutes. Granted sexorz isn't one of them, but not-smoking is."
Yeah really. I mean, what do you do with the extra 5 minutes? :lol:
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Yeah really. I mean, what do you do with the extra 5 minutes? :lol:
That, my singing friend, is equivalent to, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of Courtney Love." We really don't want to know.
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I'm weird I guess in how I quit smoking. It was still not what I would call "easy", but I would be lying if I said it was "hard".
May 18th, 2000. That's when I quit.
I am a firm believer that it wasn't the nicotine for me as much as it was the habit itself, the ACT of smoking. And that's why I believe that it tends to be difficult for most people to quit smoking. It's not just eliminating a substance. It's eliminating an entire behavior set, extracting one's self from a subculture of sorts, and that tends to be hard.
People don't change easily. Not even over simple things. It is a rare person who can do so. This is why the various products out there -- regardless of how great they work for suppressing nicotine cravings -- still only work a small percentage of the time for most people in the long term. It is the mistaken belief that you can just quit smoking with a crutch like that that leads to failure in this for most who try.
I think I had an easier time quitting than most people because I understand this.
It takes the average person around 1-2 months to change a behavior. So I replaced cigarettes with Skoal Bandits for a month. The average Bandit contains about 4x the nicotine of the average cigarette, so nicotine wasn't an issue. It was still an oral fixation, so that wasn't an issue. I'd even go outside for 15 minutes for a break while at work to do this.
So I started out not changing behavior much at all... just the substance. And I'm not fond of chew, so it was a substance I knew I wouldn't be using long term. Over the course of that month I altered things very slowly. First I stopped going outside every time I got a break. Then I started slowly cutting back on how often I'd chew. I went from 4 or 5 a day to 3, then 2, and then finally just 1.
By the end of two months, I was down to just one or two a week, and then I cut it out entirely. The nicotine cravings were mild for me, and stopped after about 3 days. I still wanted to smoke, but since I'd altered my behavior pretty thoroughly, it kind of tricked myself into not thinking about it nearly as often.
That was over 8 years ago now, and I can honestly say I won't be smoking again. Now I don't even want a cigarette, it doesn't appeal to me at all.
To be honest, that took a few years. And I've had the occasional cigarette between then and now.
And I haven't finished a single one. They taste like shit to me now, and that has reminded me that I am truly a "non-smoker".
That's my quitting story.
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That, my singing friend, is equivalent to, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of Courtney Love." We really don't want to know.
Yeh, you can almost see the center of Courtney Love.
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Heh. Smoke IS smoke. Regardless of what/how many/how often/ how much; if you smoke, be prepared for being regarded as a NASTY, STINKING person, even if no one actually tells you. Your clothes stink, your hair stinks, your car stinks, your breath stinks, your kisses aren't desirable, your fingers even stink, for crying out loud. And that's just the start.
You won't realize it until it's waay too late, but the strength in your breath/lungs will be cut drastically; resulting in you being the wheezing, coughing, gagging, stinky puke that everyone is embarrassed to be jogging with since you have to stop every so often. (AND you stink)
Plus, you can look forward to massive attacks of heartburn (yes; smoking exacerbates heartburn and ulcers - which you may get if you don't alreay have them starting.)
If all that isn't enough; take a picture of your teeth. Wait three days. Take another picture and compare the two. Yuck. Nasty. Have any idea how often you have to brush to keep them at least sorta kinda not totally brown? More than twice a day; with "whitening" toothpaste. Or Topol - smoker's toothpaste (wait till your date sees THAT in your medicine cabinet. Yeh; you'll look really cool then.)
How do I know all this? I smoke. Over a pack a day/cigarettes; and a lot of other stuffs too. So believe me, please. Stop now.
You know, not all people detest the smell of a smoker. I can't help it, I grew up around smokers; I think the smell is kinda sexy. Just like beer breath.
I don't smoke, so I can't bring personal light to this thread, but my mother has been smoking since I can remember. It's pretty stupid; there are cooler ways to die.
Also, that 250k cigarette figure is malarkey. It doesn't take anywhere near that much to cause lung cancer. I belonged to my high school's REBEL chapter (Reaching Everyone By Exposing Lies, a group whose purpose it is to protect teens from the lies of big tobacco) and we had a guest speaker, twenty years old, who had smoked a pack a week for two years and got lung cancer.
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If you have cravings (passing feelings) that last a day, you're in trouble. I'd guess that my average craving lasted no more than 6 or 7 minutes. One of the mental approaches that I took was to tell myself, "You can get through this. You can do lots of things for 6 or 7 minutes. Granted sexorz isn't one of them, but not-smoking is."
Self deprecating humor, even in situations where you're trying to improve yourself, is always the key ingredient.
I was talking about the feelings which trigger wanting a cigarette i.e feelings of stress or sudden anger.
I can proudly say I have had one successful cold-turkey day, carrying 1 cigarette around with me. 8-)
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I was talking about the feelings which trigger wanting a cigarette i.e feelings of stress or sudden anger.
I can proudly say I have had one successful cold-turkey day, carrying 1 cigarette around with me. 8-)
Awesome. Keep it up.
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I replaced cigarettes with Skoal Bandits for a month.
I agree. I also beleive that quitting smoking is hard because of the habbit part,moreso than the nicotine dependance part. So substitution for your cigaratte habbit definatly helps.
"Man... I could really go for a smoke... WHO WANTS A FREE BLOWJOB????"
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"Man... I could really go for a smoke... WHO WANTS A FREE BLOWJOB????"
That's a whole 'nother addiction, almost as hard to quit as smoking. Not that I'd know. :w:
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Not that I'd know. :w:
About the quitting part?
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About the quitting part?
No, about blowjobs in general.
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No, about blowjobs in general.
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Contrary to popular belief, you're supposed to suck, not blow.
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Contrary to popular belief, you're supposed to suck, not blow.
I know. Although I'm honored that you think I'm so innocent.
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I know. Although I'm honored that you think I'm so innocent.
Hehe, that wasn't directed specifically at you. Just making a (feeble) attempt at humour.
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I know. Although I'm honored that you think I'm so innocent.
Wait, you're not?! Next you'll be telling me Lacerda's a d00d!
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Annoying Newbie I trully hope you are going to read this.
I'm an ex smoker and I do not hate smoking or even mind passive smoke although it's a real pleasure having a beer in smoke free enviroment since it's against the law to smoke in all public places including pubs here.
From what I read smoking is linked with lowered risk of getting Alzheimers disease. But I did read it on internet although on several places, so this might not be true.
Smoking for me was relaxing and it did reduce stress.
But potential benefits of smoking do not outweight negative sides.
Increased risk for all kinds of cancers not jul lung cancer, than for chronical lung diseases, addiction, smell, lack of physichal fitness, heart problems etc...
Bottom line, smoking is a bad and very addictive habbit.
You will not stay on 4 cigs daily but you'll eventually build up to a pack. It's very hard or impossible to have control over addictive substances, it's just a way our brain functions. You'll have to smoke more and more to satisfy your need and if you will resist you'll feelings of being detached, a light headache and big crawing preventing you to focus on something else. That is mine experience at least it might be very different for somebody else.
There is always more nihilistic standpoint such as, being exposed to asbestos, air polution, all sorts of high frequency electromagnetic radiation, car polution, violent drivers.... chances always are that we will end up dying from something eventually. As this might be true I follow the philosophy of preventing things I can and smoking is definetly one of them.
There are much more fun ways to damage health, such as sweets and greasy food :).
I almost forgot, I didnt really find it very hard to quit but I did not lack willpower and I was very active in sports at that time. Abstinential crissis lasted about two weeks but I had problems several months, the biggest being what to do with my hands :).
To conclude there are no real advantage to actually start smoking, consider starting swimming instead. Hope my answer helped you to decide.
Sorry for my bad gramma, I'm not native english speaker.
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Sorry for my bad gramma, I'm not native english speaker.
Due to the language barrier I too often have trouble defending my errant grandparents. They get up to such mischief!
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I wouldnt say I really have a language barrier :), it's just that native language is the only one that feels natural and I'm way to lazy to check with aspel :).
I got carried aways since all people I know are actually quitting smoking nobody is seriously considering picking it up :).
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Nobody thinks about picking up a habit like smoking.
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I have just installed English dictionary for firefox, it seems to be doing a great job for now. Anyway reading and writing about smoking makes me wish I could light one so I better stop :).
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Apologies in advance for the threadomancy. It is not my usual bag. In this instance, however, I can not be helped.
Also, that 250k cigarette figure is malarkey. It doesn't take anywhere near that much to cause lung cancer. I belonged to my high school's REBEL chapter (Reaching Everyone By Exposing Lies, a group whose purpose it is to protect teens from the lies of big tobacco) and we had a guest speaker, twenty years old, who had smoked a pack a week for two years and got lung cancer.
I'm going to have to call some bollocks on this speaker of yours, and really on your whole high school group in general if you don't mind. There is absolutely no reasonable way to pin his lung cancer on two years of smoking alone - that sounds like dangerous levels of anti-smoking propaganda, to me, dangerously directed at impressionable and damned annoying young folk.
This line of reasoning is not only silly, it's dangerous to any responsable cancer-awareness platform: smoking is not the only cause of lung cancer, and is likely{*1} not among the top three risk factors in modern time - many independently funded studies have shown a trended increase in lung cancer rates even as smoking has decreased in popularity. This has included a dramatic increase in Asian countries with a formerly high smoking average, and moves concurently with rising industrial emissions and dietary habits in particular.
Ihatecliches, in particular - I realize that the youth of this day and age are swayed in their priorities from my own roots, and I realize of course that you're no longer in high school, but I would implore you merely as a human to consider that the PR machine behind "big tobacco" is nowhere near the size, budget, and level of danger that surrounds the pharmaceutical industry of our modern world - who stand to benefit enormously from the medical side of smoking cessation programs, and the brand loyalty in consumers that comes from happy, anti smoking ads. Agriculture and leisure are American legacies, over medication is an American infection.
Draw what conclusions you may of my bias, but I am a near 50-year smoker. My consumption varies with time, temperature, and desire, but I consume an average of 3 cigars a day, between a half and two packets of (good, generally additive free) cigarettes which are generally sans filtre, and a decidedly constant bowl of pipe tobacco. In those 50 years, my health has been generally good{*2} as a result of a decent diet, forced physical activity, and that best medicine which is HECTARing. I can personally attest to the preventative uses of nicotine as a natural medicine, as well - I have a long family history of Alzheimers, and approximately two years ago began a light aricept treatment to counteract what my physician concluded were possible early warning signs. I have, as of last week, been told to stop the aricept treatment, as my symptoms had largely diminished and certainly not progressed - a rare and happy occaision in the mystery that is genetic neuromedicine, I am told. Can I credit that to nicotine with scientific authority? Of course not. But, I can tell you that I am the first in many maternal generations to bridge sixty without any substantial sign of development, and the only fairly constant nicotine user in my maternal lineage that I can identify. Take it as you will.
To the original poster, who may or may no longer frequent this forum, I can only offer the following advice - you have one life. It may or may not be a long one. Live it the way you want to.
{*1} - Luci is not a medical researcher or statistician, but he does have one asset that is slipping from public awareness of late - that of common sense.
{*2} - Luci doesn't have plastic tubes hanging off him, breathes just fine thank you, has shiny whitish teeth, a beautiful mane (excepting the top of his head), actively enjoys losing at tennis, and is able of enough physical anger to assure that his golf handicap is always above 18 thank you very much.
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We just had an argument about this not too long ago prior to my biology class starting for the evening. The older guy - who looks to be about 40 - stated and argued that smoking has no adverse effects to your health what-so-ever. He also continued to say that everyone reacts differently to smoking. Some develop lung cancer at an early age, some at a late age, and some never at all.
I agree with him on the fact that smoking isn't a death sentence for everyone who partakes in the activity. Some people manage to go 50 years without traces of any type of cancer, while others manage to develop lung cancer after just ten years of smoking. To me, this is something that we should look into. Perhaps it is those people who go on for several decades in a row smoking more than a pack a day carry the cure for cancer.
On the other hand, I disagree with the fact that smoking doesn't pose a risk to your vascular and cardiovascular systems. I highly doubt that someone who has been smoking for many years could complete the same physical tasks that a non-smoker of the same age and same stature could complete. Though I understand that there will be instances where this isn't always true, but wholistically speaking, the data would more than likely support my assumptions that smoking is detrimental to your vascular and cardiovascular systems by means of making them less efficient than normal.
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He looked forty, but he was actually 22.
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I smoke Black & Milds, but you don't smoke those like a regular pack of cigs. I only ever (On a stressfull day no less) smoke maybe 3 a day. Ilke right now, I'm at work and my first break is comming up, so I have either ten minutes to smoke a half of one, but I wont, because if I don't I wont wanna smoke one after lunch and thats when I usually smoke mine. I also smoke copius amounts of weed, and after a nice sesh I smoke one.
Smoking the little bit that I do makes me a better person subatomicly, while negating the negatives for the long term, it puts me inot a clear mind set so that I can solve problems more effectivly. I get much more done if I have that smoke. Effectivally re-wiring my mind.
I still look 23 aswell.
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I am 17 and I smoke occasionally. I'm aware of the dangers and effects smoking can cause. I have a couple of questions about it however..
1) I was wondering if there are actual pros to smoking rather than millions and millions of cons.
2) Does rolling your own cigs even if unfiltered healthier?
3) I would estimate that around 250,000 (35 years at a pack a day) is where lung disease starts to become likely. So would 1-4 a day be alright?
5) I believe in mind over matter and so i think I could stop smoking whenever i would like. I know that everyone who does smoke says something along those lines. How hard is it though?
So to start Smoking (cigs) is one of the worst things you can do. However, there are a couple of pros. To start cigs are a stimulant so they speed up your metabolism and do make you loose wait, but if you don't work out you will loose muscle as well. In addition, until you get used to it, you get a slight heady high, but to be honest these are the only 2 pros I have ever heard of if you can call them pros.
Next, Yes, Rolling your own cigs is healthier. When you smoke with a fillter you are Separating one molecule of oxygen from the CO2 making it a much more lethal element, Carbon monoxide, but keep in mind that if your lungs get used to smoking like this and start smoking say a pack a day of unfiltered smokes, you will die much faster.
Lung disease and cancer are unpredictable, each person is different and there is no way to calculate your leeway, hell some people smoke all their lives and are fine, but the majority have bad problems including a nasty smokers cough, not to mention you smell like s#&& where ever you go.
Dude smoking is addicting there is no doubt about it. At 17 there aren't many things you can get addicted to, but I will tell you this much, it takes a lot of will power to quit cold turkey, and to be honest at your age, you may have an idea how strong your will power is, but you may underestimate how much you need to quit smoking.
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So to start Smoking (cigs) is one of the worst things you can do. However, there are a couple of pros. To start cigs are a stimulant so they speed up your metabolism and do make you loose wait, but if you don't work out you will loose muscle as well. In addition, until you get used to it, you get a slight heady high, but to be honest these are the only 2 pros I have ever heard of if you can call them pros.
Emphasis mine (and ignoring the spelling mistakes)
You lose your virginity and then your vagina become loose.
Slight difference in meaning there.
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Emphasis mine (and ignoring the spelling mistakes)
You lose your virginity and then your vagina become loose.
Slight difference in meaning there.
LoL sry my spelling sucks, ty for pointing that out I'm trying to get better bout that.
BTW, just to add to my last post, Soking Ganj is a much better habit man, I'm not saying you should do it but if you have a choice ganj is the way to go. Mary Jane's been my best friend for a while.
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. . . At 17 there aren't many things you can get addicted to, . . .
Sarcasm, right?
. . .BTW, just to add to my last post, Soking Ganj is a much better habit man . . .
Also, please explain this one.
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LoL sry my spelling sucks
Mary Jane's been my best friend for a while.
No correlation here, folks. Move along.
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Wait.... correlation != causality?
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Wait.... correlation != causality?
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Well, I smoked a bit when I was younger and I turned out just finOHGODSTOPWHILEYOUCAN
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Now now, xolly. We've talked about spilling the beans to the new people.
Do we need to take out the genital cuff?
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Now now, xolly. We've talked about spilling the beans to the new people.
Do we need to take out the genital cuff?
It's Tuesday already?!?
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